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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    You really think people will work those weeks knowing that the guy who signs their checks is gone?

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    Since when is a missing CEO going to be ANNOUNCED?


    I mean, if we're gonna just broadcast our missing functions, then how many customers are going to agree to eat at a place that advertises that it doesn't wash their dishes or utensils, lol?
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    208/240 3 Phase Hobart AM15VL Advansys Ventless High Temperature Dishwasher with Booster Heater

    16k....automated.....now you need someone to load, and unload

    i think the busboy can handle that

    another job eliminated.....
    And it would have been eliminated no matter HOW little the human dishwasher got paid. What's you're point?

    Because you have dodged the real question of the post...

    Dishes being washed is every bit as vital or more so, no matter WHO or WHAT is doing the washing, as the various tasks the CEO is doing.

    You'll come back with a claim that, well, yeah, but the CEO's job can't be automated. To which I will tell you, a GOOD chunk of it can be, lol. At a restaurant, at least. Not all CEO's (owners) face the same tasks.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Good news for the fight against income inequality.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/20/us...hour.html?_r=0

    The nation’s second-largest city voted on Tuesday to increase its minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2020 from the current $9 an hour, in what is perhaps the most significant victory so far in the national push to raise the minimum wage. The increase — which the Los Angeles City Council passed in a 14-1 vote — comes as workers across the country are rallying for higher wages, and several large companies, including Facebook and Walmart, have moved to raise their lowest wages. Several other cities, including San Francisco, Seattle and Oakland, Calif., have already approved increases, and dozens more are considering doing the same. In 2014, a number of Republican-leaning states like Alaska and South Dakota also raised their state-level minimum wage by referendum. The impact is likely to be particularly strong in Los Angeles, where, according to some estimates, more than 40 percent of the city’s work force earns less than $15 an hour.
    Why not $20?
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Actually I was aware. I am also aware that that background, though interesting, has exactly zero impact on the purpose of using that quote, which was to demonstrate that even extremely intelligent people describing developments in their field will often prove vastly inferior to the accumulated abilities, knowledge, and ingenuity of thousands, millions, or tens of millions of less-well-informed individuals. Arguments that there will be no demand for low-skill labor in the future because one person or another cannot fathom a way to allocate that labor, therefore, are proceeding from a false assumption.
    I don't think anyone is saying NO DEMAND.



    But 70% LESS demand?


    Do you want to live in a world with even 25% unemployment, with our current economic system? I don't. I'll almost CERTAINLY make less money, and I REALLY like money.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Why not $20?
    Because the SEIU has done some calculating and $15 achieves their goal, and with dues, allows the peons to keep a little bit of their earnings, and keep them dependent on the union for their futures. Why else would the SEIU be backing the $15/hr push at McDonalds?

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Because the SEIU has done some calculating and $15 achieves their goal, and with dues, allows the peons to keep a little bit of their earnings, and keep them dependent on the union for their futures. Why else would the SEIU be backing the $15/hr push at McDonalds?
    But don't we want people to make more money to support their family? Why don't we push for $25? I'm sure inflation won't be an issue.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I don't think anyone is saying NO DEMAND.

    But 70% LESS demand?
    Yeah. Again. Absent a cost floor which makes purchase prohibitive, demand crashing by 70% is about just as ridiculous.

    Do you want to live in a world with even 25% unemployment, with our current economic system? I don't.
    Me neither. That's why I think that things like $15 MW laws are dumb. Automation doesn't make people structurally unemployable, it just makes them unemployable at their current position. That is unfortunately not true of cost floors that are higher than a workers' value-added.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    But don't we want people to make more money to support their family? Why don't we push for $25? I'm sure inflation won't be an issue.
    I'm wondering why they stopped at $15 myself. Heck, make it $50/hr. Why, given enough time and pay, not a single person between the age of 16 and 30 will be able to find a job. This is brilliant progress, if I've ever seen it.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    here is at least one in seattle and many more are claiming the same thing.
    Owner of pizza shop says new Seattle minimum wage law is forcing her to close | Q13 FOX News

    there are at least 2 reported book stores one in san fran the other in LA that are closing up because they can't afford the pay increases.
    I am sure more will follow suit as the pay begins to creep up however it is still early.

    already businesses are starting to raise prices, cut hours and people.

    amazing isn't it.

    of course all of this is in the news if you read something other than media matters.
    The stores closing, are they non chain book stores as the competition is fierce, causing many small bookstores to go under.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No it wouldn't.

    Washing dishes is essential EVERY DAY. Pay checks get cut on a weekly basis, sometimes every two weeks. Bills get piad per month.


    So...no CEO means the place will still run for one week, minimum. No dishes being washed means the place gets shut down right after the first lunch rush.
    with no one to order food or supplies or direct people in what to do then no it wouldn't.
    again I can get someone already working to do the dishes. I don't need a separate person.

    you seem to forget that.

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