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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    What a wonderful, CLASSIC example of cherry-picking! Out of sixteen nations (not counting the US), you picked the highest three (all of which still have lower percentages than the US) and tried to claim that this disproves what I told you.

    Not only that, but you use that chart to claim "Canada, the United Kingdom, Ireland, Sweden, and a number of other countries have ~20% or higher population of single parents". Canada, the UK, and Ireland do have percentages above 20% (none of which are as high as the US' percentage, of course), but you wrote that in a way to make it seem that it wasn't just those three, but even more. That's a very shallow attempt at skewing, guy - and it won't work.

    Look at that chart again, guy - there at the bottom. If the US is not counted, the AVERAGE and MEDIAN percentages of single parents in ALL those nations is 16%!!!! Whereas ours is 27%. That in and of itself shows that YES, generally speaking, the higher the standard of living, the lower the percentage of single parenthood.

    Thank you for helping me prove my case.
    You're not answering my question. What a wonderful example of dodging and condescension, guy!

    It doesn't matter that we outpace them, there isn't a huge gap between Ireland, Canada and the U.K. and the United States. A 3%-5% change for a 50%-100% increase in minimum wage and introduction of more social safety nets isn't really helping your case. I will ask again:

    Why does the United Kingdom, Ireland, Canada, etc. have such high numbers of single-parent households, guy? They have substantial safety nets and relatively high minimum wages.

    They have the high standard of living you proclaim would create stable families, yet are close to the United States in terms of single-parent households. You cannot just ignore them as if they don't matter - that's cherry picking.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    depends on what that person is doing, and yes they can if that person is earning more than 6000 an hour.
    of course the job of a ceo is way harder and more complicated than that of a dish washer.
    But no less required. In fact, how long will a restaurant run WITHOUT a dishwasher? Longer than it would without a CEO. That's a fact.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You really should do something different and look to see if you're getting the whole story. That pizza shop that closed didn't do so because of the minimum wage hike, but because of competition from the several other pizza joints nearby who are still open and doing well, thank you very much.

    Every year there's lots of restaurants that close, and lots that open. This year is no different - the local restaurateurs say they'll have to raise prices about 5% to cover the raise. Think about that - by raising their prices five lousy percent, their workers can get a freaking 30% wage hike! And as this Harvard study shows with the real-world comparison of Costco and Sam's Club, paying workers a living wage can actually save the company money!

    Sorry, but that tells me that the economic sky is NOT falling, that we're doing fine, thank you very much. But you really should lay off that Fox News Kool-Aid....
    Quote Originally Posted by gdgyva View Post
    how much more productivity can a cashier have?

    or the janitor?

    i agree that happy, and motivated workers are what every employer wants

    but each job is only worth x dollars.....

    if you artificially inflate the value of the lower jobs, then those above those will also be inflated

    so the a/p clerk that was making $ 16 will now want 18-20 to stay in her "happy place"

    so what are you accomplishing in the long run?

    a. hurting those on fixed incomes....some inflation will happen as pay jumps for jobs
    b. encouraging employers to seek automation....why pay $ 15 for that job, when i can buy a machine for 30k.....and recoup my money in a year, maybe two
    c. helping union employees.....most contracts are tied to the MW of the state where the contract was done
    d. reducing the number of jobs available.....through attrition and automation, jobs will be eliminated

    sounds like a lose/lose/lose to me

    but what do i know....i have only been running companies for 20+ years
    Geez man your way out there, seriously a cashier is very productive, especially if you want your drawers to BALANCE, not to mention you have to have good people skills because you ate dealing with money, and emotions run high, it's harder than it looks, not to mention you have to keep your temper in check, and have sharp attention to detail..

    Janitor seriously get real, next time somebody walks into the john of your business and walks out because someone took a dump on the floor you lose money, all of your workforce is productive and should be given respect for what they do .

    You wanna pay lousy wages fine, your turnover rate is gonna sky rocket, and you will be counter productive, because you will spend all of tour time trying to find suckers to replace the guys who walked out on you, without notice of course..

    Nobody has a damn thing to lose walking out on some cheesy crap job, especially when they can get more on welfare..

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    You really should do something different and look to see if you're getting the whole story. That pizza shop that closed didn't do so because of the minimum wage hike, but because of competition from the several other pizza joints nearby who are still open and doing well, thank you very much.

    Every year there's lots of restaurants that close, and lots that open. This year is no different - the local restaurateurs say they'll have to raise prices about 5% to cover the raise. Think about that - by raising their prices five lousy percent, their workers can get a freaking 30% wage hike! And as this Harvard study shows with the real-world comparison of Costco and Sam's Club, paying workers a living wage can actually save the company money!

    Sorry, but that tells me that the economic sky is NOT falling, that we're doing fine, thank you very much. But you really should lay off that Fox News Kool-Aid....
    I think I will believe the store owner over some sketchy website I have never heard of.
    again there are two different books stores also getting ready to close as well. those are just the ones we have heard about
    I am sure more small business owners will follow as they cannot afford the pay increases.

    you said find examples I found examples that shut down that minimum wage increases doesn't harm employee's or businesses.

    yep and who says people will pay the 5% increase? they might but not as often as they use to.
    it depends on the restaurant and whether they can increase it 5%.

    again Costco and sam's club target different people with different scales the comparison is apples and oranges.

    we will see what happens. I was in the outback the other day. other than having someone bring me my food a waitress was almost not needed with the ordering tablet at the table.
    for fast food automated ordering machines will replace cashiers.

    same thing in grocery stores. bag boys forget it.

    Minimum wage hike killed jobs, hurt low-skilled workers: study - Washington Times

    once again proven wrong. raising minimum wage hurts poor low skill no skill workers.

    why a business can't justify paying someone 15 dollars an hour on a job that doesn't earn it.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    But no less required. In fact, how long will a restaurant run WITHOUT a dishwasher? Longer than it would without a CEO. That's a fact.
    that is why we have dishwashing machines. I will have someone else already working who isn't busy do it. pretty simple. I eliminate the need.
    not really. with no one to pay the bills or pay the workers it would close quicker.

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    that is why we have dishwashing machines. I will have someone else already working who isn't busy do it. pretty simple. I eliminate the need.
    not really. with no one to pay the bills or pay the workers it would close quicker.
    No it wouldn't.

    Washing dishes is essential EVERY DAY. Pay checks get cut on a weekly basis, sometimes every two weeks. Bills get piad per month.


    So...no CEO means the place will still run for one week, minimum. No dishes being washed means the place gets shut down right after the first lunch rush.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Kushinator View Post
    Since you are unaware, the quote above comes from a 1998 Time Magazine article where he was asked to fast forward 100 years to 2098, and provide a thought provoking account of the past 100 years. He also "predicted" St. Petersberg will have more skyscrapers than NYC....

    Surly you can do better than this.
    Actually I was aware. I am also aware that that background, though interesting, has exactly zero impact on the purpose of using that quote, which was to demonstrate that even extremely intelligent people describing developments in their field will often prove vastly inferior to the accumulated abilities, knowledge, and ingenuity of thousands, millions, or tens of millions of less-well-informed individuals. Arguments that there will be no demand for low-skill labor in the future because one person or another cannot fathom a way to allocate that labor, therefore, are proceeding from a false assumption.
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    No it wouldn't.

    Washing dishes is essential EVERY DAY. Pay checks get cut on a weekly basis, sometimes every two weeks. Bills get piad per month.


    So...no CEO means the place will still run for one week, minimum. No dishes being washed means the place gets shut down right after the first lunch rush.
    You really think people will work those weeks knowing that the guy who signs their checks is gone?

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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    But no less required. In fact, how long will a restaurant run WITHOUT a dishwasher? Longer than it would without a CEO. That's a fact.
    208/240 3 Phase Hobart AM15VL Advansys Ventless High Temperature Dishwasher with Booster Heater

    16k....automated.....now you need someone to load, and unload

    i think the busboy can handle that

    another job eliminated.....
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    Re: Los Angeles Raises Minimum Wage to $15 an Hour

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    When this leads to even more financial hardships for LA, I can't wait to see what the left comes up with in order to blame it on Bush.
    Just to point out, they may be snowing their own people on this. They want a big pat on the back for raising the minimum wage to $15, but it's in five years from now. It may be nothing. It might never happen, or we could have inflation to the point that a $15 minimum wage doesn't buy much more than the minimum wage buys now. Got to watch these lefties, they try to fool their own more than anyone else, that's how they get votes.
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