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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    What else would you expect from Herr Luftwaffe?
    True.

    But I am giving him a chance to not 'throw the baby out with the bath water'.

    Life is rarely black and white...usually it's (imo) light grey and dark grey.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I love this utopia that the libertarians envision. There are no taxes and thus no social safety net, no healthcare, no schools. Government is small and they don't regulate your guns. People get to eat what they kill. The riches go only to the smart, the powerful and the well connected.

    On earth, we do have such a place: a libertarian paradise. Its called Somalia.

    While is fine td advocate for smaller government and a thinner safety net, its absurd (and naive) to think you can have a civilization completely devoid of them. Sorry pal, libertarianism is a nice little theory, but its complete fantasy. It's an ill-conceived political philosophy that somehow believes all the ills and misfortunes of the world can be willed away.
    When did I say to get rid of taxes or schools?
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Uh, SNAP and TANF are "limited", as is UE. Not having "safety nets" can be deadly, but then again....that is what some want. Particularly those with fascist monikers.
    The German word for Air Force is fascist?

    Cool, the more I know I guess.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    When did I say to get rid of taxes or schools?
    Only public schools and tax on the wealthy.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Handouts are moronic?

    I agree that welfare is out of control...but are you saying that the government helping emotionally and physically handicapped people (who cannot work) is 'moronic'?

    Are you saying handouts to orphaned children is 'moronic'?

    Are you saying that handouts - say income supplements or healthcare cost assistance - for injured veterans is 'moronic'?
    Not good examples.

    Injured veterans were injured doing work for the government. There was work being inputted into the system and a reward was generated. That right there would be more akin to workers compensation as compared to straight up welfare.

    "Emotionally and physically handicapped"

    Emotionally handicapped? Eeehhhhhh. Physically handicapped? Depends on what they were doing before.

    "Handouts to orphaned children are moronic?"

    Can children work? No. Therefore, if their parents cannot take care of them and they go to an orphanage then said orphanages can be subsidized. However, once those kids reach working age, any and all handouts (including living in the orphanage) should end immediately.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Only public schools and tax on the wealthy.
    When did I say that? I went to public schools for the majority of my life. Why would I want to get rid of them?

    Also, I've always proposed that the wealthy pay more in taxes while the middle class gets some tax relief.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    When did I say that? I went to public schools for the majority of my life. Why would I want to get rid of them?

    Also, I've always proposed that the wealthy pay more in taxes while the middle class gets some tax relief.
    Wow, ya through Me for a loop, Keep on goose-stepping man, thumbs up.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Wow, ya through Me for a loop, Keep on goose-stepping man, thumbs up.
    Goose stepping?
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Wrong. It IS their call to make since they are the ultimate interpreter of the constitution. It's a matter of getting those who are loyal only to the constitution, not a politician.
    Really? Where does the constitution say the supreme court is the ultimate interpreter of the constitution.? In fact where does it say anything about who has authority to interpret the constitution.?

    Fact is the issue is never mentioned, which means, by the tenth amendment, that the states have the authority.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    When did I say to get rid of taxes or schools?
    Sorry man, I was not talking about you, but using you as a prop to rail against the fallacies of libertarianism.

    Many in the libertarian movement are against government schools. I realize there are no ideological purists (thank god). Hopefully, all of us, be it progressive, conservative, libertarian, socialist.... whatever, are at the end of the day pragmatists and can recognize the extremes of any political ideology are bad.

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