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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Course if you have much of a clue about welfare you'd know a great deal of the money subsidizes WORKERS who, with double jobs, don't break above the benefit line.

    But it is fun to look at the 10% and rant the same old tired whines I have heard since the 70's when it comes to welfare.

    Fact is the death of social security has been announced and denounced since it's very beginning, yet it continues to bounce along. I'd opine most who wail at it's failure WANT it to fail, it fix is easy enough IF done in a timely manner. our current 'troubles' come from a big bump in the birth rate after WWII, a big rat going down the belly of the python, more a one-off than a trend. IF those who use social security to arouse the under-informed on the CON rant wing were a bit more honest social security wouldn't be a big issue.

    Another fun fact is most of our society lives paycheck to paycheck and if they stopped spending and started saving many who thought they were well to do would be out of work!

    Try reading about a consumer based economy sometime before pronouncing a generation doesn't save is THE ill of our nation.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    SS is also brazenly unconstitutional since setting up an old-benefits system is NOT one of the listed powers of congress. So is obamacare and 99% of what the feds do. The Supreme Court says otherwise but it's not their call to make.
    Wrong. It IS their call to make since they are the ultimate interpreter of the constitution. It's a matter of getting those who are loyal only to the constitution, not a politician.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by TextDriversKill View Post
    SS is also brazenly unconstitutional since setting up an old-benefits system is NOT one of the listed powers of congress. So is obamacare and 99% of what the feds do. The Supreme Court says otherwise but it's not their call to make.
    YOu have no concept of what the constitution is or does. Take it up with your ultra conservative ruled SCOTUS who seem to disagree with you.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    It seems that some of the posters here who object to 5 year olds getting "hand outs" would be happier in ghetto arizona

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Social safety nets should be limited. A reliance on social safety nets (what we have today) is harmful.
    There is a fine line between a safety net and a hammock.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Conservatives keep trying to kill it and it just doesn't die. It's a government program that has not missed one single payment in its what... eighty years? It's currently running a $2.8 trillion surplus and that's with that stupid cap on the wealthy. Even with conservatives handicapping the program it can currently payout 100% payments as it always has for until 2037 no problem. Remove the cap and it would remain solvent.
    removing the cap brings with it higher benefits payouts to those whom put in more.....


    well, unless y'all don't want to pay additional benefits to those whom put in more... but that changes the whole program from a retirement insurance scheme to a means tested welfare scheme.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    No one should get handouts.

    Legal or not.

    Handouts are moronic.
    Handouts are moronic?

    I agree that welfare is out of control...but are you saying that the government helping emotionally and physically handicapped people (who cannot work) is 'moronic'?

    Are you saying handouts to orphaned children is 'moronic'?

    Are you saying that handouts - say income supplements or healthcare cost assistance - for injured veterans is 'moronic'?
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    I'm OK with people not having to pay for others.

    Kids would most likely go to an orphanage. It isn't pretty by any means.
    I love this utopia that the libertarians envision. There are no taxes and thus no social safety net, no healthcare, no schools. Government is small and they don't regulate your guns. People get to eat what they kill. The riches go only to the smart, the powerful and the well connected.

    On earth, we do have such a place: a libertarian paradise. Its called Somalia.

    While is fine td advocate for smaller government and a thinner safety net, its absurd (and naive) to think you can have a civilization completely devoid of them. Sorry pal, libertarianism is a nice little theory, but its complete fantasy. It's an ill-conceived political philosophy that somehow believes all the ills and misfortunes of the world can be willed away.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Social safety nets should be limited. A reliance on social safety nets (what we have today) is harmful.
    Uh, SNAP and TANF are "limited", as is UE. Not having "safety nets" can be deadly, but then again....that is what some want. Particularly those with fascist monikers.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Handouts are moronic?

    I agree that welfare is out of control...but are you saying that the government helping emotionally and physically handicapped people (who cannot work) is 'moronic'?

    Are you saying handouts to orphaned children is 'moronic'?

    Are you saying that handouts - say income supplements or healthcare cost assistance - for injured veterans is 'moronic'?
    What else would you expect from Herr Luftwaffe?
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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