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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Social security is ending itself. My generation will most likely not get **** out of it.
    Don't buy this myth.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Don't buy this myth.
    The idea that our government, or the American people would allow millions of retirees to be forced out onto the streets is laughable at best, and wishful thinking for the Ayn Rand's of the world who don't give a single thought to the social implications of such a world.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    The idea that our government, or the American people would allow millions of retirees to be forced out onto the streets is laughable at best, and wishful thinking for the Ayn Rand's of the world who don't give a single thought to the social implications of such a world.
    Conservatives keep trying to kill it and it just doesn't die. It's a government program that has not missed one single payment in its what... eighty years? It's currently running a $2.8 trillion surplus and that's with that stupid cap on the wealthy. Even with conservatives handicapping the program it can currently payout 100% payments as it always has for until 2037 no problem. Remove the cap and it would remain solvent.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Don't buy this myth.
    Buy this myth.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by akrunner88 View Post
    The idea that our government, or the American people would allow millions of retirees to be forced out onto the streets is laughable at best, and wishful thinking for the Ayn Rand's of the world who don't give a single thought to the social implications of such a world.
    The idea that the baby boomer generation retires in their sixties and expects everyone else to work until they're ****ing dead because they didn't save **** is laughable at best.

    Save. Always save. If you're poor, practice austerity and save. I've seen poor people drive in camaros or have 4 kids. Priorities?
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    How far do you take that? Should all forms of welfare be stopped? Should we end social security?
    How is social security "welfare" if we pay into it for a lifetime?

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    How is social security "welfare" if we pay into it for a lifetime?
    It's not, but sometimes people with extreme views lump it in with welfare.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Here's the real story on your handouts.

    Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF | Environment | The Guardian

    "Fossil fuel companies are benefitting from global subsidies of $5.3tn (£3.4tn) a year, equivalent to $10m a minute every day, according to a startling new estimate by the International Monetary Fund.

    The IMF calls the revelation “shocking” and says the figure is an “extremely robust” estimate of the true cost of fossil fuels. The $5.3tn subsidy estimated for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments."
    Propaganda bull**** with manufactured "data". Puh-leeze.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Sure. Welfare extends to corporate welfare. The only question now is what is the line between welfare and legitimate subsidizing for a job to be done.
    Course if you have much of a clue about welfare you'd know a great deal of the money subsidizes WORKERS who, with double jobs, don't break above the benefit line.

    But it is fun to look at the 10% and rant the same old tired whines I have heard since the 70's when it comes to welfare.

    Fact is the death of social security has been announced and denounced since it's very beginning, yet it continues to bounce along. I'd opine most who wail at it's failure WANT it to fail, it fix is easy enough IF done in a timely manner. our current 'troubles' come from a big bump in the birth rate after WWII, a big rat going down the belly of the python, more a one-off than a trend. IF those who use social security to arouse the under-informed on the CON rant wing were a bit more honest social security wouldn't be a big issue.

    Another fun fact is most of our society lives paycheck to paycheck and if they stopped spending and started saving many who thought they were well to do would be out of work!

    Try reading about a consumer based economy sometime before pronouncing a generation doesn't save is THE ill of our nation.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Conservatives keep trying to kill it and it just doesn't die. It's a government program that has not missed one single payment in its what... eighty years? It's currently running a $2.8 trillion surplus and that's with that stupid cap on the wealthy. Even with conservatives handicapping the program it can currently payout 100% payments as it always has for until 2037 no problem. Remove the cap and it would remain solvent.
    SS is also brazenly unconstitutional since setting up an old-benefits system is NOT one of the listed powers of congress. So is obamacare and 99% of what the feds do. The Supreme Court says otherwise but it's not their call to make.

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