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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

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    What more do I need to read than you didn't want it to be the "taxpayer's{sic} problem". If you don't want that, you shouldn't want it handled in court.
    False. I didn't want welfare to be the taxpayer's problem. I didn't mention anything of the courts.

    And the courts would preside over issues like workers compensation. I never said they would preside over whether someone should receive welfare or not (which is what you are assuming?).
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    False. I didn't want welfare to be the taxpayer's problem. I didn't mention anything of the courts.

    And the courts would preside over issues like workers compensation. I never said they would preside over whether someone should receive welfare or not (which is what you are assuming?).

    No, I am saying that taxpayers' (note that, please) money funds the existence of the courts. You wanted the issue settled in the courts. I can quote you on that part too if you want, but I don't think it's really necessary.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    False, the nazis did indeed help out some of the economically disadvantaged. The caveat was that they weren't one of what the nazis would deem "inferior" races.
    GEE WHIZ, since the point was and still is that NAZI Germany did not support broad based social welfare for the entire German population, what point do you think you have scored?
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Again, no deeper understanding is shown. It was a racist organization designed to support NAZI supporters of the lower classes, it was not a generalized social welfare program for all German citizens. You can keep playing this game of ignoring the broader NAZI views of removing undesired populations from German society while referencing racist NAZI programs, that is fine with me.

    I advocate for the removal of welfare pertaining to any economic or racial class. Whether you're black or white doesn't matter. The nazis didn't share that view and handed welfare to specific classes. I believe handouts are inherently bad. The nazis didn't believe that. They believed that handouts to certain classes was inherently bad.

    Keep trying to call me a nazi

    It's amusing.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    GEE WHIZ, since the point was and still is that NAZI Germany did not support broad based social welfare for the entire German population, what point do you think you have scored?
    There would still be no standing in what your implying.

    The overwhelming majority of Germans falled under "available for welfare" so whether they exclude a couple hundred thousand or so is meaningless. It would still be what you call "broad" welfare.

    I don't believe in welfare.

    You can do whatever you want to say that that is inherently fascist even though it isn't but that would mean nothing to me at this point.

    The best you could argue for is perhaps that there isn't as much sympathy in there as you would like?

    The truth is that the nazis gave some people welfare. I advocate for the abolition of welfare across all, whether it is corporate welfare or Section 8. The NAZIs would NOT agree with me on that.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Disability depends.

    The only true grey area is what happens to people who are born with a disability. For that I have no answer.
    How about a realistic scenario, My best friends sister is a nurse who has been struggling with MS. At some point She will no longer be able to work because of the debilitating effects of the disease. How about every day situations like that? My point is that the world is not black and white with one size fits all solutions.
    Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can sit in a boat, drinking beer all day while you fool around with his Woman.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    I advocate for the removal of welfare pertaining to any economic or racial class. Whether you're black or white doesn't matter. The nazis didn't share that view and handed welfare to specific classes. I believe handouts are inherently bad. The nazis didn't believe that. They believed that handouts to certain classes was inherently bad.

    Keep trying to call me a nazi

    It's amusing.
    Again, you can't represent my position accurately, I said :

    If a poster wants to create an online personality that includes nativist, anti-liberal, randian/fascist argument while naming themselves after a commonly understood reference associated with fascist Germany, it is entirely his prerogative, but it is the height of absurdity for him to express surprise when a casual observer notices the goose stepping rhetoric combined with said moniker. If the poster wants to play innocent, they can, but they are not fooling many.

    I did not call you a "NAZI", I said you hold to many right wing/authoritarian positions, which includes being anti-welfare with nativist POV. It is you that has staked out these positions, not me, your positions describe yourself. Being anti-welfare is a classic right-wing position, combine that with randian social Darwinist stances and you get even more right wing. How far you want to go is completely up to you, but again, it doesn't surprise me that it includes using "cool sounding" monikers.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    The truth is that the nazis gave some people welfare. I advocate for the abolition of welfare across all, whether it is corporate welfare or Section 8. The NAZIs would NOT agree with me on that.
    I'm perfectly willing to accept that you hold positions further to the right than the NAZI social programs designed for Aryan Germans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumpf
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    How about a realistic scenario, My best friends sister is a nurse who has been struggling with MS. At some point She will no longer be able to work because of the debilitating effects of the disease. How about every day situations like that? My point is that the world is not black and white with one size fits all solutions.
    Is she insured to take care of all the costs of any treatment? How old is she? Has she saved money? How does she live right now?

    Of course nothing is black and white.
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    Re: Arizona Makes Painful Deficit Cuts, Including Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post

    Of course nothing is black and white.
    this statement is
    I don't believe in welfare.

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