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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Why allowed them to take the city in the first place?



    White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS | Military.com
    Leading from behind and not leaving a force of 10K troops in Iraq is just working so well (walking backwards).
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Democracy did arrive in Iraq, people voted and people were elected. All went well and the citizens defied terrorist threats. Maybe its best to show you in pictures. https://www.google.ca/search?q=image...w=1600&bih=742
    On the Democracy Index, Iraq ranks poorly. Of the 167 countries ranked for 2013, Iraq was classified as a “hybrid regime” (between a “flawed democracy” and an “authoritarian regime”) and came in at a ranking of 113. In 2013, according to Transparency International, Iraq ranked among the eight most corrupt nations and territories in the world* (with corruption defined as “abuse of entrusted power for private gain”). Freedom House simply says: "Iraq is not an electoral democracy. Although it has conducted meaningful elections, political participation and decision-making in the country remain seriously impaired by sectarian and insurgent violence, widespread corruption, and the influence of foreign powers." Freedom House has also noted that hundreds of professors were killed and many fled the country during the height of the sectarian fighting, a blow to academic freedom; the judiciary's independence is threatened by political pressure, and sectarian violence continues to threaten religious freedom. [/QUOTE]

    In 2013, two years after Obama pulled the troops? What did you expect? Naturally the Islamists would be taking over as soon as the retreat was accomplished, and just as the military and everyone predicted. Everyone expected a new SOFA would also be renegotiated, which would have been easy enough.

    IS is overrunning the country and now you claim that ISIS is an imperfect Democracy, claiming in the previous paragraph that it was not even introduced at all.

    You may want to give this further thought before you respond.















    In 2013, two years after Obama pulled the troops? What did you expect? Naturally the Islamists would be taking over as soon as the retreat was accomplished, and just as the military and everyone predicted. Everyone expected a new SOFA would also be renegotiated, which would have been easy enough.

    On the Democracy Index, Iraq ranks poorly. Of the 167 countries ranked for 2013, Iraq was classified as a “hybrid regime” (between a “flawed democracy” and an “authoritarian regime”) and came in at a ranking of 113. In 2013, according to Transparency International, Iraq ranked among the eight most corrupt nations and territories in the world* (with corruption defined as “abuse of entrusted power for private gain”). Freedom House simply says: "Iraq is not an electoral democracy. Although it has conducted meaningful elections, political participation and decision-making in the country remain seriously impaired by sectarian and insurgent violence, widespread corruption, and the influence of foreign powers." Freedom House has also noted that hundreds of professors were killed and many fled the country during the height of the sectarian fighting, a blow to academic freedom; the judiciary's independence is threatened by political pressure, and sectarian violence continues to threaten religious freedom.

    Did the wars bring democracy to Afghanistan and Iraq? | Costs of War[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

    What????????? Concerning Iraq and the notion of "democracy" I didn't even speak to the Islamic State.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Leading from behind and not leaving a force of 10K troops in Iraq is just working so well (walking backwards).
    Lol. A token force of 10K wouldn't accomplish anything.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol. A token force of 10K wouldn't accomplish anything.
    It doesn't take a huge force of well trained troops executing militarily sound operations to accomplish (impact) a many great things.
    There is a reason to have a professional military with professional military leaders, and such is much more effective than Militia groups, such as what ISIS's ground troops are composed of.

    At this point, one could also point out that what was once thought of as Iraqi professional military competently led clearly hasn't demonstrated itself as such.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    There wasn't much peace to "lose" in Iraq. That being said, it is true that the Obama administration's approach to jihadi terrorism in general, and the rise of IS in particular, has been pretty pathetic.
    There were open elections in Iraq. Even Iraqi Women were allowed to vote.

    The UK television show " Top Gear " even did a Middle east special a few years back and drove through parts of the region that are now littered with ISIS fighters.
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The UK television show " Top Gear " even did a Middle east special a few years back and drove through parts of the region that are now littered with ISIS fighters.
    Oh my God. It's all Jeremy Clarkson's fault!

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Leading from behind and not leaving a force of 10K troops in Iraq is just working so well (walking backwards).
    "Leading from behind?"

    As opposed to what?
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Please. Saddam was our buddy until it was politically unfavorable for him to be.
    Saddam was never an American "Buddy". He was being used during a period when he was necesssary and usefel to American interests.

    There was no moral ground there. We destabilized an entire region, spent trillions of dollars on foreign occupation with no plan on how to secure the country for the long term, more than doubled our losses from 9/11, emboldened terrorists and created an environment ripe for terrorist generation.
    Releasing people from a degenerate dictatorship is always a moral high ground. Surely you must be aware of the genocide, the mass graves, etc. Is all this forgotten now in the revisionist blogs?

    Our intervention made things worse.
    No it didn't. Once the US and Coalition began the 'surge', which should have been ongoing frrom Day 1, Iraq was pretty much stable, just as Obama repeated so many times. But when he withdrew all that toppled. Thats when your point about "creating an environment ripe for a terrorist generation". There was none of that at the time of this "Greats=est Achievement".
    When you go in blind and stupid, you have no chance to arrive at a proper conclusion. We are not the World Police, we are not imperials, we were not meant to fight Forever War.
    Not only are you not the World's Police, Americans can no even be trusted to end a war that they themselves initiated, had won, and then threw it all away.

    Do you believe that Americans can isolate themselves from the Jihadists when they cant even control their southern borders, or maintain paperwork? Barry Obama made the claim that he was ending the war in Afghanistan and Iraq and expected the Gruberites that this declaration would be accepted by IS, and all the other terrorist groups growing around the world.

    What happens when these groups obtain nuclear weapons, either by defeating a nation which has them or from a friendly country who feels sympathetic to their cause? Thinking you are out of this war is just ludicrous.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There were open elections in Iraq. Even Iraqi Women were allowed to vote.

    The UK television show " Top Gear " even did a Middle east special a few years back and drove through parts of the region that are now littered with ISIS fighters.
    And who did those voters elect? Maliki, a sectarian dictator, Iranian sympathizer and a genocidal maniac. He purged the military of Sunni's, sent Shia militia's into Sunni territories to arrest and kill and went back on every promise that was made during the "great awakening". He also kicked us out when the agreement Bush signed was up.
    If you call him a democratic leader it only shows you don't know what a democracy is. It was "Democracy" that sealed Iraq's fate as a failed State and emboldened ISIS.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    There were open elections in Iraq. Even Iraqi Women were allowed to vote.

    The UK television show " Top Gear " even did a Middle east special a few years back and drove through parts of the region that are now littered with ISIS fighters.
    To the bolded. Lol, and what did that get them.

    On the Democracy Index, Iraq ranks poorly. Of the 167 countries ranked for 2013, Iraq was classified as a “hybrid regime” (between a “flawed democracy” and an “authoritarian regime”) and came in at a ranking of 113. In 2013, according to Transparency International, Iraq ranked among the eight most corrupt nations and territories in the world*
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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