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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you didn't believe either Obama or Biden when they said Iraq was stable and sovereign, self-reliant, and a 'great achievement? Why do you suppose they were lying?
    Whether they were lying, wishful thinking, or just throwing Bush a bone, I don't know. But it was wrong nevertheless. I see you ignored Powell's comments on Iraq under the leadership of Hussein.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I totally agree with you there. It takes brutal dictatorships to have any kind of stability over there.
    Yep, post 59
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Thank you, I'm already familiar with Smedley Butler's career and views.
    Too bad you don't agree with him very much.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    But now Obama has gone back in to bomb the crap out of the palace and that is not working. Obama pulled out all the troops then started sending them back in, plus a bunch of planes. If we're not the worlds police what the hell is he doing going back into Iraq. Why did he go into Libya.
    Because he sees us as the world's police. I don't. Which puts conservative hawks in such a mental quagmire in that they want what Obama's doing but can't actually allow themselves to agree with Obama on anything at the same time.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No, it doesn't. Iraq was "stable" at one time and there was no 'brutal dictatorship' involved.FLASHBACK
    Sure, when we had 150,000 troops there the country was relatively stable. I guess you wanted the United States to maintain that kind of troop presence in Iraq indefinitely.
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan View Post
    You're drastically inflating your numbers, unless you have a source that says otherwise.

    March 2003 to December 2011 is 104 months. 100 billion per month would be > ten trillion dollars, even though estimates say that the Iraq War cost us $2.19 trillion, or 6 trillion over four decades. CBO estimates placed the cost of "temporary occupation" at $1-$4 billion per month. More than the $210-$300 million it costs us to perform air operations in Syria and Iraq against ISIL each month now, but not nearly as astronomical as you're claiming. If we double the high-end ($4 billion), and spread that over a period of 5 years (60 months), that would be 59% of one year's total defense spending - $480 billion dollars.
    You are right, somehow I had conflated the costs per year with the costs per month. The direct costs per year of our being in Iraq was around 100 billion a year or so.
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So you didn't believe either Obama or Biden when they said Iraq was stable and sovereign, self-reliant, and a 'great achievement? Why do you suppose they were lying?
    I've told you before, the achievement was the withdrawal of our troops from that hellhole not to mention fulfilling the treaty the GW Bush signed. Are you saying Bush lied when he said the same things as Obama about Iraq? If Obama lied then it was only to cover for Bush's lies. Presidents do that.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Whether they were lying, wishful thinking, or just throwing Bush a bone, I don't know. But it was wrong nevertheless. I see you ignored Powell's comments on Iraq under the leadership of Hussein.
    Bush was out of it by then as these staments took place after his Presidency. Did you realize that terrorist groups would take over Iraq and other areas of the world once Obama , against all Military advice, pulled the troops?

    Powell wasn't relevant to the conversation as this occurred before the Obama Presidency as well..

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I've told you before, the achievement was the withdrawal of our troops from that hellhole not to mention fulfilling the treaty the GW Bush signed. Are you saying Bush lied when he said the same things as Obama about Iraq? If Obama lied then it was only to cover for Bush's lies. Presidents do that.
    In fact it is a hellhole now but wasn't when the troops were withdrawn. And you also said "Whether they were lying, wishful thinking, or just throwing Bush a bone, I don't know". If any of this is true how can it be 'an achievement'? Do you understand about the rise of international Islamism throughout the Middle East and Africa?

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Sure, when we had 150,000 troops there the country was relatively stable. I guess you wanted the United States to maintain that kind of troop presence in Iraq indefinitely.
    Is it your understanding that the military advised that 150,000 troops remain in Iraq? Also, is it your understanding that other international forces wouldn't be involved in maintaining order there? You must have heard about US Troops being involved in maintaining peace in Europe, South Korea, and elsewhere, and with great success.

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