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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Salon reported. What does that have to do with Morell's admissions that the Bush administration misrepresented the intelligence that they were being fed to the American public??
    Are you ever going to answer the question posed? What was the Senate Intelligence Committee doing as they had the same access to the intelligence as Bush. Did they misrepresent it as well to the American People? The Senate was under Democrat control or did you forget?

    Why did Bob Woodward say about that intelligence?

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Salon reported. What does that have to do with Morell's admissions that the Bush administration misrepresented the intelligence that they were being fed to the American public??
    Everyone has an opinion but the one that mattered was the Senate Intelligence Committee and Senate vote which was 76-23 in favor of the October 2002 resolution. Nothing apparently is going to change your mind because that is what you want to believe. You totally ignore history, civics, and the world situation at the time to spend all your time on something unconstructive as blaming Bush for lying. No such proof was ever offered and if it were he would have been impeached. You think the Democrats wanted their own words on the Congressional record? No, they wanted the issue, not the facts as has been presented and ignored by people like you.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

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    Are you ever going to answer the question posed? What was the Senate Intelligence Committee doing as they had the same access to the intelligence as Bush. Did they misrepresent it as well to the American People? The Senate was under Democrat control or did you forget?

    Why did Bob Woodward say about that intelligence?
    I have equal criticism for democrats and republicans for support of the Iraq war.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

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    Are you ever going to answer the question posed? What was the Senate Intelligence Committee doing as they had the same access to the intelligence as Bush. Did they misrepresent it as well to the American People? The Senate was under Democrat control or did you forget?

    Why did Bob Woodward say about that intelligence?
    The "Phase II" report states -- in terms clearer than any previous government publication -- that there was no operational relationship between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, that Bush officials were not truthful about the difficulties the United States would face in post-war Iraq and that their public statements did not reflect intelligence they had at the time, and, specifically, that the intelligence community would not confirm any meeting between Iraqi officials and Mohamed Atta -- a claim that was nevertheless publicly repeated.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Everyone has an opinion but the one that mattered was the Senate Intelligence Committee and Senate vote which was 76-23 in favor of the October 2002 resolution. Nothing apparently is going to change your mind because that is what you want to believe. You totally ignore history, civics, and the world situation at the time to spend all your time on something unconstructive as blaming Bush for lying. No such proof was ever offered and if it were he would have been impeached. You think the Democrats wanted their own words on the Congressional record? No, they wanted the issue, not the facts as has been presented and ignored by people like you.
    The bush administration deliberately falsified and misrepresented intelligence as clearly reported in phase two of the senate intelligence committees report.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The bush administration deliberately falsified and misrepresented intelligence as clearly reported in phase two of the senate intelligence committees report.
    That is your opinion but not the opinion of the intelligence community including world intelligence. Did you even listen to the video you posted? Please show me any evidence where the Bush Administration said that Saddam Hussein had a nuclear weapon, anywhere? Want me to show you the evidence that he was working on developing one? Want to see the UN Inspector's report on the subject? Did Saddam Hussein have WMD's and use them in the past?

    The Bush Administration didn't intentionally falsify anything and the Congressional oversight committee had total access to the same information. You really don't understand civics, do you? Did Bush also force Democrats to lie? Did he create the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998? Did Bush kill all those Kurds with chemical weapons? Did he use chemical weapons on Iran?

    What is it about people like you who get something in their head and never change even when confronted with actual facts? Opinions are just that, do you even know the context in which the briefer was making that claim and did you bother to hear the entire claim or what happened afterwards?

    Absolutely amazing what creates people like you. You are the problem, certainly not the solution.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The "Phase II" report states -- in terms clearer than any previous government publication -- that there was no operational relationship between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, that Bush officials were not truthful about the difficulties the United States would face in post-war Iraq and that their public statements did not reflect intelligence they had at the time, and, specifically, that the intelligence community would not confirm any meeting between Iraqi officials and Mohamed Atta -- a claim that was nevertheless publicly repeated.
    Do you understand that the Senate Intelligence Committee operates independently of the President? Why didn't they do their job? Could it be they wanted the issue and not their findings on the record knowing people like you wanted to believe that Bush lied. Woodward said Bush didn't lie but apparently he had credibility when he was destroying Nixon. Why not now?

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you understand that the Senate Intelligence Committee operates independently of the President? Why didn't they do their job? Could it be they wanted the issue and not their findings on the record knowing people like you wanted to believe that Bush lied. Woodward said Bush didn't lie but apparently he had credibility when he was destroying Nixon. Why not now?
    Other than just being an absolute partisan hack, not interested in truth and justice, but rather I party cronyism, how would anybody with even fleeting objectivity dismiss this?

    The "Phase II" report states -- in terms clearer than any previous government publication -- that there was no operational relationship between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, that Bush officials were not truthful about the difficulties the United States would face in post-war Iraq and that their public statements did not reflect intelligence they had at the time, and, specifically, that the intelligence community would not confirm any meeting between Iraqi officials and Mohamed Atta -- a claim that was nevertheless publicly repeated.

    "Before taking the country to war, this Administration owed it to the American people to give them a 100 percent accurate picture of the threat we faced. Unfortunately, our Committee has concluded that [B]the Administration made significant claims that were not supported by the intelligence,"

    There's the evidence of the Bush administrations DECEPTION, your opinion is made moot!! Irrelevant. There, have the last word, it's all you've got.
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Other than just being an absolute partisan hack, not interested in truth and justice, but rather I party cronyism, how would anybody with even fleeting objectivity dismiss this?

    The "Phase II" report states -- in terms clearer than any previous government publication -- that there was no operational relationship between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, that Bush officials were not truthful about the difficulties the United States would face in post-war Iraq and that their public statements did not reflect intelligence they had at the time, and, specifically, that the intelligence community would not confirm any meeting between Iraqi officials and Mohamed Atta -- a claim that was nevertheless publicly repeated.

    "Before taking the country to war, this Administration owed it to the American people to give them a 100 percent accurate picture of the threat we faced. Unfortunately, our Committee has concluded that [B]the Administration made significant claims that were not supported by the intelligence,"

    There's the evidence of the Bush administrations DECEPTION, your opinion is made moot!! Irrelevant. There, have the last word, it's all you've got.
    I know this is very hard for you to understand but we have a Representative Democracy in which elected leaders make policy and decisions that affect us all. It is made up of a checks and balance system in which both houses of Congress have oversight responsibilities on the Executive Branch. That oversight responsibility in the Senate rested with the Democrats who had total access to all the information Bush had so if Bush lied about the intelligence so did the Democrats in Congress.

    All that evidence is nothing more than opinion on your part and others much of which is taken out of context. Bottomline if Bush lied why wasn't he impeached? Pretty simple question yet no answer from you because you simply will not admit you have a bad case of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I know this is very hard for you to understand but we have a Representative Democracy in which elected leaders make policy and decisions that affect us all. It is made up of a checks and balance system in which both houses of Congress have oversight responsibilities on the Executive Branch. That oversight responsibility in the Senate rested with the Democrats who had total access to all the information Bush had so if Bush lied about the intelligence so did the Democrats in Congress.

    All that evidence is nothing more than opinion on your part and others much of which is taken out of context. Bottomline if Bush lied why wasn't he impeached? Pretty simple question yet no answer from you because you simply will not admit you have a bad case of Bush Derangement Syndrome.
    President Bush was a Hitler, a war criminal, a mass murderer, a warmongering liar, and so on--many times over what would be needed for impeachment. And yet no serious effort was ever made by Democrats in the House to impeach him. Rings just a bit hollow, but then lying is part of being a leftist. President Pinocchio and the Belle of Benghazi, for example, are lying almost every time their mouths are moving.

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