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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, we've been over this at length.

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

    The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.

    The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,’’ it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    In a Thursday panel at Cato on conservatism and war, U.S. Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and John Duncan (R-Tenn.) revealed that the vast majority of GOP members of Congress now think it was wrong for the U.S. to invade Iraq in 2003.

    The discussion was moderated by Grover Norquist, who asked the congressmen how many of their colleagues now think the war was a mistake.

    GOP Congressmen: Most Republicans Now Think Iraq War Was a Mistake | Cato @ Liberty
    Wonder how many of those dead people in Ramadi and elsewhere throughout Iraq agree with you after ISIS took the area? Whether or not the war was a mistake at this point is irrelevant, what is relevant is the lack of leadership Obama has shown to prevent disasters like ISIS is inflicting on areas throughout Iraq. Why don't you contact all those dead Iraqis killed by ISIS to see if they believe the war was a mistake or whether or not the management of the peace was the true mistake?

    Why don't you and all those others who still want to divert from Obama and focus on the past tell us how Iraq and the world would be better off today with Saddam Hussein still in power? I know you people are true experts on every issue so I await your incredible insight into Iraq and the world today with Saddam Hussein in power?

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

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    Wonder how many of those dead people in Ramadi and elsewhere throughout Iraq agree with you after ISIS took the area? Whether or not the war was a mistake at this point is irrelevant, what is relevant is the lack of leadership Obama has shown to prevent disasters like ISIS is inflicting on areas throughout Iraq. Why don't you contact all those dead Iraqis killed by ISIS to see if they believe the war was a mistake or whether or not the management of the peace was the true mistake?

    Why don't you and all those others who still want to divert from Obama and focus on the past tell us how Iraq and the world would be better off today with Saddam Hussein still in power? I know you people are true experts on every issue so I await your incredible insight into Iraq and the world today with Saddam Hussein in power?
    Having spent a decade supporting the failure, I can understand why you would want to dismiss that as irrelevant, lol.
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Having spent a decade supporting the failure, I can understand why you would want to dismiss that as irrelevant, lol.
    Spending a decade ignoring history I can understand why you want to divert from reality and the threat created by Saddam Hussein.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, we've been over this at length.

    WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

    The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.

    The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,’’ it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/wo...anted=all&_r=0

    In a Thursday panel at Cato on conservatism and war, U.S. Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and John Duncan (R-Tenn.) revealed that the vast majority of GOP members of Congress now think it was wrong for the U.S. to invade Iraq in 2003.

    The discussion was moderated by Grover Norquist, who asked the congressmen how many of their colleagues now think the war was a mistake.

    GOP Congressmen: Most Republicans Now Think Iraq War Was a Mistake | Cato @ Liberty
    You're quoting the NY Times not the NIE.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Having spent a decade supporting the failure, I can understand why you would want to dismiss that as irrelevant, lol.
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Spending a decade ignoring history I can understand why you want to divert from reality and the threat created by Saddam Hussein.
    All the references to rape rooms, genocide, the invasion of their neighbors, mass graves, the murders of any suspected rivals, missiles at Israel, etc. have all been withdrawn from their memory banks. He has now become, among the un-cognoscenti, a benevolent dictator known for being sectarian (his last words being Allah Akbar) and keeping peace in the region.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    All the references to rape rooms, genocide, the invasion of their neighbors, mass graves, the murders of any suspected rivals, missiles at Israel, etc. have all been withdrawn from their memory banks. He has now become, among the un-cognoscenti, a benevolent dictator known for being sectarian (his last words being Allah Akbar) and keeping peace in the region.
    This is what the Arab world thinks of Obama

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXod...be&app=desktop

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Spending a decade ignoring history I can understand why you want to divert from reality and the threat created by Saddam Hussein.
    SA was the containment. Why would I accept you're version, whoever you are, over a consensus report by the nations intelligence services who concluded that the Iraq war was having the opposite of the desired effect. Think on that for a minute.
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    All the references to rape rooms, genocide, the invasion of their neighbors, mass graves, the murders of any suspected rivals, missiles at Israel, etc. have all been withdrawn from their memory banks. He has now become, among the un-cognoscenti, a benevolent dictator known for being sectarian (his last words being Allah Akbar) and keeping peace in the region.
    Bad as all that was, none of it was the burden on the Middle East that the Islamic State is, not even close. Perhaps you should pull your head out of the Bush vacuum and look about the region.
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    This is what the Arab world thinks of Obama

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXod...be&app=desktop
    This is what the Arab world thought of Bush. Other than partisan smoke, what's your point? The Arab world has been disgusted with US policies in their lives and affairs for decades.

    The focus of Mr Bush's efforts yesterday was public opinion in the Arab world. Edmund Ghareeb, a Middle East expert at American University, said: "The symbolism of it is devastating. Some of these abuses have taken place at Abu Ghraib prison where some of the worst abuses of the Saddam Hussein regime took place."

    The president's Arabic TV offensive came two days after the state department compiled a devastating survey of media coverage of the Abu Ghraib scandal.

    "This Greater Middle East that Washington promises is not a recipe for democracy, openness, freedom and respect for human rights; rather, it's a new formula to guarantee US control _ and a way to keep all Arab regimes humiliated and subjugated," a commentator in the Palestinian daily al-Ayyam wrote.

    The Arab League's ambassador in London, Ali Muhsen Hamid, said he doubted that Mr Bush's remarks would win over Arab viewers. "They will not be persuaded, because they don't trust the Americans," he said.

    Arab world scorns Bush's TV 'apology' | Media | The Guardian
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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