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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's laughable. Perhaps your being facetious.
    Nope. Enjoy the laugh.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Far better than what they have now which is basically the consequence of incompetent American foreign policy and idiot American voters.
    It depends on which sect you belong to. We basically exchanged one genocidal sect for another and in doing so made Iran the strongest nation in the region.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Nope. Enjoy the laugh.
    Ok. So......removing Saddam Hussein, sanctions on Iran, predator drone attacks in Pakistan and Yemen, puppet governments in Iraq and Afghanistan, supporting MB against Mubarak, removing Gaddafi, supporting the Syrian rebels against Assad................ None of this equates to forcing our will/influence to you? I still think you're playing.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Iraq is a failed state on account of US interference for a dozen years now.
    Its too much for you to acknowledge the FACT that Iraq went from open and free elections to ISIS terrorist murdering their way through one Iraq city after the other.

    I put too much value on objectivity to take on a Bush obsession
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Its too much for you to acknowledge the FACT that Iraq went from open and free elections to ISIS terrorist murdering their way through one Iraq city after the other.

    I put too much value on objectivity to take on a Bush obsession
    It's too much that you think Iraq has ever been a free and open state. Stop pretending as though Iraq ever has or ever can be a democracy.

    On the Democracy Index, Iraq ranks poorly. Of the 167 countries ranked for 2013, Iraq was classified as a “hybrid regime” (between a “flawed democracy” and an “authoritarian regime”) and came in at a ranking of 113. In 2013, according to Transparency International, Iraq ranked among the eight most corrupt nations and territories in the world.

    War Without End: Why Iraq Can Never Be A Stable Democracy
    War Without End: Why Iraq Can Never Be A Stable Democracy - Forbes

    Iraq: West’s Failed Democracy Project
    Iraq: West's Failed Democracy Project
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    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Its too much for you to acknowledge the FACT that Iraq went from open and free elections to ISIS terrorist murdering their way through one Iraq city after the other.

    I put too much value on objectivity to take on a Bush obsession
    Btw, the Middle East problem isn't just about Bush. Obama's ME policies have been equally disruptive to the relative peace, stability and containment of Islamic extremism under Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad, that's recognized as problematic by everybody. So why don't you try placing some of the blame for the ME troubles on Obama?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok. So......removing Saddam Hussein, sanctions on Iran, predator drone attacks in Pakistan and Yemen, puppet governments in Iraq and Afghanistan, supporting MB against Mubarak, removing Gaddafi, supporting the Syrian rebels against Assad................ None of this equates to forcing our will/influence to you? I still think you're playing.
    Is there a middle east country that does what we tell them to do? You can accuse us of trying to be imperial but we have certainly failed in the middle east.

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Is there a middle east country that does what we tell them to do? You can accuse us of trying to be imperial but we have certainly failed in the middle east.
    We can agree that the US has failed in the ME.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This has nothing to do with being "The World's Police". The American people committed themselves to a war, lost many good people, spent billions of dollars, eliminated an insanely murderous dictator, introduced democracy to the country for the first time in its history and then made an ignoble retreat by throwing it all away.

    That has absolutely nothing to do with being the "World's Police", something Congress never approved anyway.
    It is being the world's police. All that claptrap you just vomitted is just excuses for a continuation of policing.
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    Re: White House Promises to Bomb Ramadi Until City Retaken From ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Stop pretending as though Iraq ever has or ever can be a democracy.
    Do you feel the Iraqi people are somehow inferior to other peoples? With a little study you'll discover that the Iraqi's who made it to the democracies have done quite well, and they certainly celebrated when they got their first opportunity to cast their ballots.

    They said the same thing about Japan and Germany after WWII by the way, and both countries seem to be doing quite well.

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