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    Re: Sen. Kristen Gillibrand announces bill to help adoptive LGBT parents

    Well even if it doesn't pass (whatever does these days with the ****ty 60 votes rule?), i always like when civil rights comes to vote just to see and prove once again how evil the republican party is

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    Re: Sen. Kristen Gillibrand announces bill to help adoptive LGBT parents

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    If they don't go to normal [every child needs a mother and father] people's homes, it should be classified as child abuse IMHO.
    OK... so then by your own definition an orphan, a child without either a mother OR a father is being subjected to abuse IYHO. So do you think being subjected to the abuse of being without a mother and father is better or worse than the "abuse" of being with and having two mothers or two fathers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    How will they be at a disadvantage? What makes a mother and father situation more healthy than a situation with homosexual parents? Do you have a source to back up your claim?
    A study by the United States Department of Health and Human Services outlines the importance of fathers in a child's life. I'm assuming the father in this study is a male parent, but I'm not entirely sure. If that is the case, would you concede that a male-female parental unit is better than a male-male or female-female one?

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    Re: Sen. Kristen Gillibrand announces bill to help adoptive LGBT parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan View Post
    A study by the United States Department of Health and Human Services outlines the importance of fathers in a child's life. I'm assuming the father in this study is a male parent, but I'm not entirely sure. If that is the case, would you concede that a male-female parental unit is better than a male-male or female-female one?
    Interesting. You are posing a question that is not of the topic at all. Actually the topic is, is the situation of having gay parents better than no parents at all.
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    Re: Sen. Kristen Gillibrand announces bill to help adoptive LGBT parents

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Interesting. You are posing a question that is not of the topic at all. Actually the topic is, is the situation of having gay parents better than no parents at all.
    I will kindly redirect you to the question posed by Anomalism:

    How will they be at a disadvantage? What makes a mother and father situation more healthy than a situation with homosexual parents?
    I would love to see all of the nearly 1,000,000 children without stable homes in this country be placed into one, and I have no qualms with homosexuality, pansexuality, asexuality, et cetera., to clarify. I'm merely posing a question in response to his.

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    Re: Sen. Kristen Gillibrand announces bill to help adoptive LGBT parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan View Post
    I will kindly redirect you to the question posed by Anomalism:



    I would love to see all of the nearly 1,000,000 children without stable homes in this country be placed into one, and I have no qualms with homosexuality, pansexuality, asexuality, et cetera., to clarify. I'm merely posing a question in response to his.
    Fair enough.
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    Re: Sen. Kristen Gillibrand announces bill to help adoptive LGBT parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan View Post
    A study by the United States Department of Health and Human Services outlines the importance of fathers in a child's life. I'm assuming the father in this study is a male parent, but I'm not entirely sure. If that is the case, would you concede that a male-female parental unit is better than a male-male or female-female one?
    If you're familiar with that study would you mind giving me a synopsis of why they believe male-female parental units are more healthy? I really don't feel like reading the entire thing.

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    Re: Sen. Kristen Gillibrand announces bill to help adoptive LGBT parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    If you're familiar with that study would you mind giving me a synopsis of why they believe male-female parental units are more healthy? I really don't feel like reading the entire thing.
    Of course, I'll give you the bullet-point summary:

    • Children with involved, caring fathers have better educational outcomes.
    • Children who have an involved father are more likely to be emotionally secure, be confident to explore their surroundings, and, as they grow older, have better social connections with peers.
    • Children who live with their biological father in a married household are significantly less likely to be physically abused, sexually abused, or neglected than children who do not live with their married biological parents
    Now, this doesn't necessarily take-away from any possible effects a mother-mother or father-father relationship has on a child, but it's interesting nonetheless. If a father is, according to this study, a good thing for a child to have, would you - if presented with the choice - give a child to two married women or a man married to a woman, ceteris parabis?

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    Re: Sen. Kristen Gillibrand announces bill to help adoptive LGBT parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan View Post
    Of course, I'll give you the bullet-point summary:
    Now, this doesn't necessarily take-away from any possible effects a mother-mother or father-father relationship has on a child, but it's interesting nonetheless. If a father is, according to this study, a good thing for a child to have, would you - if presented with the choice - give a child to two married women or a man married to a woman, ceteris parabis?
    I'd really have to take the time to find out how they came to those conclusions. If it was indisputably proven that heterosexual couples raised healthier children I would give a child to the heterosexual couple first. However I doubt that study in any way shows that homosexual couples raise unhealthy children, so considering the need for parents that want to adopt there is no reason to discriminate against homosexuals.

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    Re: Sen. Kristen Gillibrand announces bill to help adoptive LGBT parents

    Quote Originally Posted by Trojan View Post
    A study by the United States Department of Health and Human Services outlines the importance of fathers in a child's life. I'm assuming the father in this study is a male parent, but I'm not entirely sure. If that is the case, would you concede that a male-female parental unit is better than a male-male or female-female one?
    That's not a study but an argumentative essay full of psych 101 jargon that cross references other studies, without providing any direct data. There is no attempt to control for variables, for instance claiming that fathers beat their kids less than mothers, but not considering that mothers might be around their kids far more.

    Most of it refers to studies done 20 years ago, before gay parents were even common, and reaches not remotely persuasive conclusions such as "some studies suggest." It pushes programs like 'Boot Camps for New Dads' with no evidence that they work. It makes no attempt to follow outcomes for *adopted* kids, or any mention of gay parents that i can find.

    It's more like an advertisement for department programs and begging for extra funding.

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