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Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF

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Green energy is too expensive. :roll:

Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF | Environment | The Guardian

Fossil fuel companies are benefiting from global subsidies of $5.3tn (£3.4tn) a year, equivalent to $10m a minute every day, according to a startling new estimate by the International Monetary Fund. The IMF calls the revelation “shocking” and says the figure is an “extremely robust” estimate of the true cost of fossil fuels. The $5.3tn subsidy estimated for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments. The vast sum is largely due to polluters not paying the costs imposed on governments by the burning of coal, oil and gas. These include the harm caused to local populations by air pollution as well as to people across the globe affected by the floods, droughts and storms being driven by climate change. Nicholas Stern, an eminent climate economist at the London School of Economics, said: “This very important analysis shatters the myth that fossil fuels are cheap by showing just how huge their real costs are. There is no justification for these enormous subsidies for fossil fuels, which distort markets and damages economies, particularly in poorer countries.”

Lord Stern said that even the IMF’s vast subsidy figure was a significant underestimate: “A more complete estimate of the costs due to climate change would show the implicit subsidies for fossil fuels are much bigger even than this report suggests.” The IMF, one of the world’s most respected financial institutions, said that ending subsidies for fossil fuels would cut global carbon emissions by 20%. That would be a giant step towards taming global warming, an issue on which the world has made little progress to date. Ending the subsidies would also slash the number of premature deaths from outdoor air pollution by 50% – about 1.6 million lives a year. Furthermore, the IMF said the resources freed by ending fossil fuel subsidies could be an economic “game-changer” for many countries, by driving economic growth and poverty reduction through greater investment in infrastructure, health and education and also by cutting taxes that restrict growth.
 
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I think I figured out how to fund green energy.

Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF | Environment | The Guardian

Fossil fuel companies are benefiting from global subsidies of $5.3tn (£3.4tn) a year, equivalent to $10m a minute every day, according to a startling new estimate by the International Monetary Fund. The IMF calls the revelation “shocking” and says the figure is an “extremely robust” estimate of the true cost of fossil fuels. The $5.3tn subsidy estimated for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments. The vast sum is largely due to polluters not paying the costs imposed on governments by the burning of coal, oil and gas. These include the harm caused to local populations by air pollution as well as to people across the globe affected by the floods, droughts and storms being driven by climate change. Nicholas Stern, an eminent climate economist at the London School of Economics, said: “This very important analysis shatters the myth that fossil fuels are cheap by showing just how huge their real costs are. There is no justification for these enormous subsidies for fossil fuels, which distort markets and damages economies, particularly in poorer countries.”

Lord Stern said that even the IMF’s vast subsidy figure was a significant underestimate: “A more complete estimate of the costs due to climate change would show the implicit subsidies for fossil fuels are much bigger even than this report suggests.” The IMF, one of the world’s most respected financial institutions, said that ending subsidies for fossil fuels would cut global carbon emissions by 20%. That would be a giant step towards taming global warming, an issue on which the world has made little progress to date. Ending the subsidies would also slash the number of premature deaths from outdoor air pollution by 50% – about 1.6 million lives a year. Furthermore, the IMF said the resources freed by ending fossil fuel subsidies could be an economic “game-changer” for many countries, by driving economic growth and poverty reduction through greater investment in infrastructure, health and education and also by cutting taxes that restrict growth.



LOL !!

" The vast sum is mostly attributed to POLLUTERS not paying the cost imposed on Governments by the burning of Coal and fossil fuels "....

LMAO !!!
 
This hack piece belongs in the Partisan section
 
:lamo

My goodness, who pays these clowns to spin their wheels?
 
:lamo

My goodness, who pays these clowns to spin their wheels?

Its funny because the OPs author literally thought he was onto something.
 
LOL !!

" The vast sum is mostly attributed to POLLUTERS not paying the cost imposed on Governments by the burning of Coal and fossil fuels "....

LMAO !!!

So basically, they just reached in elbow deep, and pulled some numbers out of their arse, and that's proof. Oy vey. :roll:
 
Its funny because the OPs author literally thought he was onto something.

So you're basically saying that the entire concept of cost accounting is nonsense?
 
So you're basically saying that the entire concept of cost accounting is nonsense?

I think he's really saying "I don't want to hear about this". ;) There is a chance that cognitive dissonance is coming into play.
 
The opening statement is a mouth full!
It focuses on the broad notion of post-tax energy subsidies, which arise when consumer prices are below supply costs plus a tax to reflect environmental damage and an additional tax applied to all consumption goods to raise government revenues
So let's assume supply cost, is the cost of goods sold, The Tax to reflect the perceived environmental damage (X),
and then whatever consumer tax the government imposes.
The middle tax is VERY subjective!
 
So you're basically saying that the entire concept of cost accounting is nonsense?

Lol !!

They literally pulled these numbers out of their asses and you bought into it completely

I'm still laughing......You'll have to excuse me for a bit while I recover.
 
I think he's really saying "I don't want to hear about this". ;) There is a chance that cognitive dissonance is coming into play.

No, I DO want to hear about this.

Its nonsense and I beg people like you and him to continue to make fools out of yourselves publicly

Ive always said best defense against Liberalism is to keep one of its supporters talking.
 
No, I DO want to hear about this.

Its nonsense and I beg people like you and him to continue to make fools out of yourselves publicly

Ive always said best defense against Liberalism is to keep one of its supporters talking.

Yes, well that certainly is a good way to understand the crazy ideas some conservatives advance, I agree. Let them make public statements that illustrate the irrational thought processes that drive public policy ideas.
 
Yes, well that certainly is a good way to understand the crazy ideas some conservatives advance, I agree. Let them make public statements that illustrate the irrational thought processes that drive public policy ideas.

Hey, we're not the one's coming up with arbitrary #s for the explicit purpose of fooling a bunch of idiots.

Have you read the article ? Who are they trying to convince ?

Let me give you a hint. Its not Conservatives or anyone with healthy supply of common sense.
 
Hey, we're not the one's coming up with arbitrary #s for the explicit purpose of fooling a bunch of idiots.

Have you read the article ? Who are they trying to convince ?

Let me give you a hint. Its not Conservatives or anyone with healthy supply of common sense.

Though I am currently registered Republican, the idea that conservatism and common sense go hand-in-hand is rather an illusion.
 
Green energy is too expensive. :roll:

Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF | Environment | The Guardian

Fossil fuel companies are benefiting from global subsidies of $5.3tn (£3.4tn) a year, equivalent to $10m a minute every day, according to a startling new estimate by the International Monetary Fund. The IMF calls the revelation “shocking” and says the figure is an “extremely robust” estimate of the true cost of fossil fuels. The $5.3tn subsidy estimated for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments. The vast sum is largely due to polluters not paying the costs imposed on governments by the burning of coal, oil and gas. These include the harm caused to local populations by air pollution as well as to people across the globe affected by the floods, droughts and storms being driven by climate change. Nicholas Stern, an eminent climate economist at the London School of Economics, said: “This very important analysis shatters the myth that fossil fuels are cheap by showing just how huge their real costs are. There is no justification for these enormous subsidies for fossil fuels, which distort markets and damages economies, particularly in poorer countries.”

Lord Stern said that even the IMF’s vast subsidy figure was a significant underestimate: “A more complete estimate of the costs due to climate change would show the implicit subsidies for fossil fuels are much bigger even than this report suggests.” The IMF, one of the world’s most respected financial institutions, said that ending subsidies for fossil fuels would cut global carbon emissions by 20%. That would be a giant step towards taming global warming, an issue on which the world has made little progress to date. Ending the subsidies would also slash the number of premature deaths from outdoor air pollution by 50% – about 1.6 million lives a year. Furthermore, the IMF said the resources freed by ending fossil fuel subsidies could be an economic “game-changer” for many countries, by driving economic growth and poverty reduction through greater investment in infrastructure, health and education and also by cutting taxes that restrict growth.

Hey, these IMF'ers are missing to boat here. If they are going to do cost accounting based on subjective conclusions like harm, flooding, droughts, etc., they should really be going after man in general, since Mankind is responsible for it all. So forget these windmills the IMF is after, let's go after all mankind.

Every man, woman, and child on the Planet Earth, needs to step up and pay a depletion tax, since their existence is being subsidized by the Earth. If fossil fuel alone is $5.3 trillion, let also add food, housing, medical care, etc..

I'm guessing the harm to the Earth for growing food, and providing all that other stuff has got to be double, if not triple the fossil fuel subsidies. Figure $15tn.

So at about $25tn, every man woman and child needs to pony up say $3.5 million/yr in depletion tax/subsidy refund to the Earth.

What do you think?
 
Green energy is too expensive. :roll:

Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF | Environment | The Guardian

Fossil fuel companies are benefiting from global subsidies of $5.3tn (£3.4tn) a year, equivalent to $10m a minute every day, according to a startling new estimate by the International Monetary Fund. The IMF calls the revelation “shocking” and says the figure is an “extremely robust” estimate of the true cost of fossil fuels. The $5.3tn subsidy estimated for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments. The vast sum is largely due to polluters not paying the costs imposed on governments by the burning of coal, oil and gas. These include the harm caused to local populations by air pollution as well as to people across the globe affected by the floods, droughts and storms being driven by climate change. Nicholas Stern, an eminent climate economist at the London School of Economics, said: “This very important analysis shatters the myth that fossil fuels are cheap by showing just how huge their real costs are. There is no justification for these enormous subsidies for fossil fuels, which distort markets and damages economies, particularly in poorer countries.”

Lord Stern said that even the IMF’s vast subsidy figure was a significant underestimate: “A more complete estimate of the costs due to climate change would show the implicit subsidies for fossil fuels are much bigger even than this report suggests.” The IMF, one of the world’s most respected financial institutions, said that ending subsidies for fossil fuels would cut global carbon emissions by 20%. That would be a giant step towards taming global warming, an issue on which the world has made little progress to date. Ending the subsidies would also slash the number of premature deaths from outdoor air pollution by 50% – about 1.6 million lives a year. Furthermore, the IMF said the resources freed by ending fossil fuel subsidies could be an economic “game-changer” for many countries, by driving economic growth and poverty reduction through greater investment in infrastructure, health and education and also by cutting taxes that restrict growth.

So let's see. Apparently there was no flooding or drought prior to the use of fossil fuels. They add the cost of premature deaths, but in 1900 the average life span was around 30 years and today it is around 80 years. Yep, glad we see so many premature deaths.

And exactly where is the technology and products that will meet our needs to sustain our current technological level of civilization? Even at maximum use, what percentage of our current usage can be maintained by these methods? Where is the electric vehicle that would allow me to travel from one coast to the other with stops equal or less than the time needed to pump gasoline into my car? How much "environmental damage" does the metals and acids from batteries for electric vehicles cause? Or the production of the electricity needed? Or the Highways to run those vehicle over? How much more environmental damage is done by a gasoline vehicle when it wrecks vs the **** released from the battery from a Prius when an idiot runs out in front of a Semi?

Finally, when exactly in the entire history of the planet has the climate not been in a state of change?
 
Though I am currently registered Republican, the idea that conservatism and common sense go hand-in-hand is rather an illusion.

Maybe you just dont understand what the articles trying to say.

Well, then its written for you and people like you then

Its why you posted irrelevant nonsense not related to the ridiculous OPs contention that " subsidies " equate to a value based on a completely subjective set of standards literally invented by the authors of the study.
 
Maybe you just dont understand what the articles trying to say.

Well, then its written for you and people like you then

Its why you posted irrelevant nonsense not related to the ridiculous OPs contention that " subsidies " equate to a value based on a completely subjective set of standards literally invented by the authors of the study.

Maybe we disagree on "what the article is trying to say", eh?
 
Also then you look at oil you have had the huge military, political and economical cost of being dependent of oil fron the extremly unstable middle east, that IMF didn't include in their report.
This at the same time both wind and solar power is expanding rapidly and getting a lot cheaper.

By comparison, electricity from new coal and gas-fired plants costs between 5 and 10 cents per kilowatt hour. And in Germany, right now, large solar plants deliver power for less than 9 cents, compared to as much as 11 cents from nuclear.

By 2025, the report says, the cost of producing power in central and southern Europe will have declined to between 4 and 6 cents per kilowatt hour, and by 2050 to as low as 2 to 4 cents, making it the cheapest source of energy in many parts of the world.

Solar Power To Become Cheapest Source Of Energy In Many Regions By 2025, German Experts Say

New figures from the European Wind Energy Association (EWEA) on Tuesday reveal nearly 11.8GW of wind power was added to the grid across the European Union in 2014, accounting for 43.7% of all new electricity generation.


Germany leads record wind power growth in Europe | Environment | The Guardian

That thanks to some countries like Germany that did take the lead in the transition to renewable energy, ecomomic of scale and the initial science and product development cost was accomplished so that renewable energy could become competitive to other form of energy production.

German Energy Transition
 
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No idea if the article is accurate..but if the IMF told me the sky was blue, then I would assume that it must NOT be blue...even if it was it was Noon and there was not a cloud in the sky (or an eclipse).

The IMF are about the most pathetic world organization in existence, imo.
 
Green energy is too expensive. :roll:

Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF | Environment | The Guardian

Fossil fuel companies are benefiting from global subsidies of $5.3tn (£3.4tn) a year, equivalent to $10m a minute every day, according to a startling new estimate by the International Monetary Fund. The IMF calls the revelation “shocking” and says the figure is an “extremely robust” estimate of the true cost of fossil fuels. The $5.3tn subsidy estimated for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments. The vast sum is largely due to polluters not paying the costs imposed on governments by the burning of coal, oil and gas. These include the harm caused to local populations by air pollution as well as to people across the globe affected by the floods, droughts and storms being driven by climate change. Nicholas Stern, an eminent climate economist at the London School of Economics, said: “This very important analysis shatters the myth that fossil fuels are cheap by showing just how huge their real costs are. There is no justification for these enormous subsidies for fossil fuels, which distort markets and damages economies, particularly in poorer countries.”

Lord Stern said that even the IMF’s vast subsidy figure was a significant underestimate: “A more complete estimate of the costs due to climate change would show the implicit subsidies for fossil fuels are much bigger even than this report suggests.” The IMF, one of the world’s most respected financial institutions, said that ending subsidies for fossil fuels would cut global carbon emissions by 20%. That would be a giant step towards taming global warming, an issue on which the world has made little progress to date. Ending the subsidies would also slash the number of premature deaths from outdoor air pollution by 50% – about 1.6 million lives a year. Furthermore, the IMF said the resources freed by ending fossil fuel subsidies could be an economic “game-changer” for many countries, by driving economic growth and poverty reduction through greater investment in infrastructure, health and education and also by cutting taxes that restrict growth.

The IMF is not impeccable and this is certainly one instance of them ****ING up because of spewing BULL****.
 
So you're basically saying that the entire concept of cost accounting is nonsense?

"Cost accounting???" Someone needs to restart their 'So's Law' medications. He neither said nor implied anything watsoever about "cost accounting." Nor can what he said be remotely construed that way either.

What he IS saying is that that article is a crock of leftwing political hackery, appealing to leftwing bias, seeking any poor schmoe's need to have their biases confirmed.

He rightly points out one of the author's logical flaws (which you somehow managed to interpret as a denunciation of cost accounting), flaws of which there are many. And what is the author's main premise (and 'tell')? It's how the author laments so much money not being spent on better things (in his mind) - like the environment, like healthcare...

Sheesh... "cost accounting??" :doh
 
Also then you look at oil you have had the huge military, political and economical cost of being dependent of oil fron the extremly unstable middle east, that IMF didn't include in their report.
This at the same time both wind and solar power is expanding rapidly and getting a lot cheaper.



Solar Power To Become Cheapest Source Of Energy In Many Regions By 2025, German Experts Say




Germany leads record wind power growth in Europe | Environment | The Guardian

That thanks to some countries like Germany that did take the lead in the transition to renewable energy, ecomomic of scale and the initial science and product development cost was accomplished so that renewable energy could become competitive to other form of energy production.

German Energy Transition

LOL !!!

Even Germany's own Minister of Finance has admitted that Germany's " green revolution " has been a total failure.

Now Germans pay 300 percent more for their electricity than the average American citizens and they're more dependant on Coal than they were before they shut down their nukes.

So their consumers pay more for energy and their air is dirtier.
Thats some progress
 
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Green energy is too expensive. :roll:

Fossil fuels subsidised by $10m a minute, says IMF | Environment | The Guardian

Fossil fuel companies are benefiting from global subsidies of $5.3tn (£3.4tn) a year, equivalent to $10m a minute every day, according to a startling new estimate by the International Monetary Fund. The IMF calls the revelation “shocking” and says the figure is an “extremely robust” estimate of the true cost of fossil fuels. The $5.3tn subsidy estimated for 2015 is greater than the total health spending of all the world’s governments. The vast sum is largely due to polluters not paying the costs imposed on governments by the burning of coal, oil and gas. These include the harm caused to local populations by air pollution as well as to people across the globe affected by the floods, droughts and storms being driven by climate change. Nicholas Stern, an eminent climate economist at the London School of Economics, said: “This very important analysis shatters the myth that fossil fuels are cheap by showing just how huge their real costs are. There is no justification for these enormous subsidies for fossil fuels, which distort markets and damages economies, particularly in poorer countries.”

Lord Stern said that even the IMF’s vast subsidy figure was a significant underestimate: “A more complete estimate of the costs due to climate change would show the implicit subsidies for fossil fuels are much bigger even than this report suggests.” The IMF, one of the world’s most respected financial institutions, said that ending subsidies for fossil fuels would cut global carbon emissions by 20%. That would be a giant step towards taming global warming, an issue on which the world has made little progress to date. Ending the subsidies would also slash the number of premature deaths from outdoor air pollution by 50% – about 1.6 million lives a year. Furthermore, the IMF said the resources freed by ending fossil fuel subsidies could be an economic “game-changer” for many countries, by driving economic growth and poverty reduction through greater investment in infrastructure, health and education and also by cutting taxes that restrict growth.

"The vast sum is largely due to polluters not paying the costs imposed on governments by the burning of coal, oil and gas"

And thus the article has no basis in fact. Govt makes up a number: the cost of pollution is 578 flugelhorns. You are not paying us 578 flugelhorns, therefore we are subsidzing you to the tune of 578 flugelhorns! (carbon credits or whatever).
 
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