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    Re: Angela Merkel under pressure to reveal extent of German help for US spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Regarding data from US citizens, what do you suppose that "no warrant shall issue but upon probable cause" mean to you?
    I don't see that it applies here.

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    Re: Angela Merkel under pressure to reveal extent of German help for US spying

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I don't see that it applies here.
    Then you think that data can be gathered by the government without any warrant at all?

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    Re: Angela Merkel under pressure to reveal extent of German help for US spying

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I don't see that it applies here.
    Well thankfully the court, with a superior understanding of constitutional law, disagrees with you.
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    Re: Angela Merkel under pressure to reveal extent of German help for US spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Then you think that data can be gathered by the government without any warrant at all?
    Apparently he does, and doesn't seem to care. I'm telling you HD, I have the greatest difficulty comprehending this myself.
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    Re: Angela Merkel under pressure to reveal extent of German help for US spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Then you think that data can be gathered by the government without any warrant at all?
    It depends on which data you mean, but meta data and emails? Yes.

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    Re: Angela Merkel under pressure to reveal extent of German help for US spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well thankfully the court, with a superior understanding of constitutional law, disagrees with you.
    From what I read not so very much. They seem to think that the data mining can be made legal, if Congress wants to make the appropriate laws.

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    Re: Angela Merkel under pressure to reveal extent of German help for US spying

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It depends on which data you mean, but meta data and emails? Yes.
    So then you must also think that the entire Fourth Amendment means nothing?

    If that's the case, it's no surprise. The citizenry is conditioned in their understandings and perceptions by the government's actions, sooner or later.

    All these years after the Unpatriot Act, folks see the Fourth as being irrelevant and null and void.

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    Re: Angela Merkel under pressure to reveal extent of German help for US spying

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    So then you must also think that the entire Fourth Amendment means nothing?

    If that's the case, it's no surprise. The citizenry is conditioned in their understandings and perceptions by the government's actions, sooner or later.

    All these years after the Unpatriot Act, folks see the Fourth as being irrelevant and null and void.
    Not only that, why would congress contradict the intent and purpose of the fourth amendment by legislating this into law. And still, why are there those that seem nonchalant toward it or worse, welcoming of it?
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    Re: Angela Merkel under pressure to reveal extent of German help for US spying

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    If they all rise and fall together, how can there be an economically dominant country? It seems to me the economics and politics of the other countries are to blame for their own struggles, as opposed to a country like Germany, who apparently doesn't suffer from the same economic mistakes.
    They ultimately will rise and fall together. And in a competitive atmosphere you want to be the big dog. And being the big dog in a purist competitive arena means competing and growing stronger than your counterpart. But in real competition what happens is while you may work harder, you don't miss an opportunity to pull a Tonya Harding baton to the knee on your opponent whenever the opportunity arises.

    In the EU, the strongest economy dictates a lot of economic policies to the other countries. IMO, they need to either become a country of United States like us or go for their sovereignty again. You can't half ass this step like they have.
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    Re: Angela Merkel under pressure to reveal extent of German help for US spying

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    They ultimately will rise and fall together. And in a competitive atmosphere you want to be the big dog. And being the big dog in a purist competitive arena means competing and growing stronger than your counterpart. But in real competition what happens is while you may work harder, you don't miss an opportunity to pull a Tonya Harding baton to the knee on your opponent whenever the opportunity arises.

    In the EU, the strongest economy dictates a lot of economic policies to the other countries. IMO, they need to either become a country of United States like us or go for their sovereignty again. You can't half ass this step like they have.
    Well, I would have to agree. The EU has been a major mistake. I applaud those countries who have resisted joining, and those who have voiced a desire to pull out. Countries, and the citizens in them, should be accountable for their own policies and agendas, otherwise they will never learn from their mistakes.

    Consider Greece. They haven't learned, and their current path is quickly leading to complete meltdown as a country. Yet, having learned nothing about fiscal policy, and the role of government, they are expecting others to bail them out. Total foolishness.
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