"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"
Cicero Marcus Tullius
it was written long before anyone even thought of electronic spying, but the intent is pretty clear it seems to me.Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Making Russia great again!
By CHARLIE SAVAGE and JONATHAN WEISMANMAY 7, 2015
There is no available satisfactory explanation for this. Cessation is the only appropriate response. What the NSA has been doing using that mostly rag legislation known as the Patriot Act as justification, is precisely the kind of trouble that the Church committee warned us about forty odd years ago.
Tom Daschle, and Patrick Leahy, two men that raised concerns about the Patriot Act, both of which were balking at it, both of which could have prevented it from even coming to a vote, just coincidentally, and handily so for the Bush administration, (wink wink, nod nod) had their offices anthraxed!! Shortly afterward, they climbed aboard the Patriot Act train.
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Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy
The German intelligence BND (originally Organisation Gehlen) was virtually founded, certainly funded, initially by the OSS and to a higher degree by the CIA later. Stipulation was that it report EVERYthing, so sarcasm always reigned in Germany in calling it just a branch of the former.
Cold war tactics of course but anyone with eyes to see would have noticed that the big "golf ball units" didn't get all that dismantled with unification and it doesn't take rocket science to realize that digital TV isn't coming to the German from them since then either.
But if one is not disposed to track back, cannot read, cannot hear and refuses to engage in original thinking, this whole sordid and hypocritical affair is a convenient opportunity to engage in indignant outrage, mostly for furthering of own political gain and by a virtually impotent opposition plus a constantly weakening coalition partner getting on the bus to garner some of the profile lost.
One notices UK's GCHQ being conspicuously left out of the current moral orgasm and this in an age where the European tapping point of trans-Atlantic fibres is as easily to come by as those numerous world wide points of the Five Eyes.
One can argue whether any of this is being done in ways proper or whether it's of any benefit to whoever at all, but any governmental representative of the nations concerned, including the poor "victims", would do everybody a favor in shutting their hypocritical gobs.
In both Germany and the UK intelligence agencies are broadly referred to as Secret Service, some even applying (confusing) the term to the US's version of actually that name. The key here is "secret" and anyone with half a brain knows why they're secret.
To those that don't, because they break the law, specifically of the country(ies) they operate in abroad and that's their job. Germany, thru its BND, does it as well.
All in the interest of their countries and screw you Jack, your laws are no concern of ours.
Without the US Germany wouldn't even have had an intelligence agency, riddled with old Nazis as it initially was and leaky as a tub as it also was by being equally riddled with Stasi moles.
But you're right, comes a time when the policy of the three apes no longer works and it's better to speak openly BEFORE the younger public finds out what the OLDER has always known or should have.
They simply love her and see everything she doesn't do as right. The government has lousy ratings, hers are peaking.
A gem indeed (keerist).No need to worry, replace worry with certainty. The Brits that have tapped transatlantic fibre at Bude (Cornwall) are probably collecting more data than even the NSA but NSA collects a lot at Tuckerton (N.J.) where TAT-14 and its "colleagues" come ashore. And as long as the Brits pass only data of US citizens to the NSA and NSA only that of Brits to GCHQ and both of everybody else, nobody's really spied on their own citizens.The only thing that worries me about the OP story is the worry that our government may have aided and or worked with other governments in spying on the American people.
That's just the Atlantic and just two of the Five Eyes.Makes no difference really. A nationalist that can get aid to use against his/her own, will trade likewise.This is why you don't elect globalists/internationalists to office.This is why you want nationalists in office.A globalist/internationalist will have no problem selling your country out and aiding forign governments against their own people.
It's so much easier and far less messy than having to engage in such sordid little endeavors as sending a bunch of amateurs to invade a hotel complex in order to find out what strategy the opposition has.