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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It wasn't in that manner that I was referring to the British not being up to the task.
    UK has cut their Military drastically over he past years.
    Now the US looks more to France when discussing military options.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Americans installed Obama in the WH (amongst other reasons of course) to bring America home from Iraq. A plurality of Americans recognize the folly of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Despite Bush's efforts to draw a link between Saddam Hussein and AQ, Saddam Hussein and OBL, his fear mongering about Saddam Hussein's ability to produce mushroom clouds over US cities and the like, that dog don't hunt and a very tiny amount of people still support those silly notions. The fact is that neither Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi nor Assad gave any quarters to Islamic extremists, and as both China and Russia both accurately predicted, US interference has caused Islamic extremism to spread throughout the region. And they didn't have to be just real brite to make such observation either.

    Currently, the United States has military personnel deployed in about 150 Countries... This covers 75% of The World's Nations.

    The Democrats voted for war in Iraq and then spent years attacking the president for going to war in Iraq. Bush never actually made the claim of an imminent mushroom cloud sent by Saddam, that is a misrepresentation by Ted Kennedy.

    Likewise, Bush only ever claimed that there had been communications between Al Qaeda and Iraq, which the commission agreed took place. What Kerry argued was that Bush stated that there was a collaboration between Al Qaeda and Iraq, which Bush never claimed.

    But sure, the Democrats had run a 5 year negative campaign against Bush and against the efforts of our Military in Iraq and it was indeed the tipping point for the election of Obama. But then in the same way the Democrats want to demonize Bush for going into Iraq, the same shallow interpretation would lead to the conclusion that Obama lied to the American people about consequences of leaving Iraq. It is becoming clear that the NIA had long warned the White House that a resurgent AQI would be the outcome of leaving Iraq, yet Obama stood before the American people and claimed the war was won, Iraq was peaceful and it was time to come home. Either he was lying or suffering from self imposed ignorance of the realities that were made available to him in his security briefings.

    Bush can't be faulted for what Obama made of Iraq.... and Syria... and Yemen... and Libya.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The Democrats voted for war in Iraq and then spent years attacking the president for going to war in Iraq. Bush never actually made the claim of an imminent mushroom cloud sent by Saddam, that is a misrepresentation by Ted Kennedy.

    Likewise, Bush only ever claimed that there had been communications between Al Qaeda and Iraq, which the commission agreed took place. What Kerry argued was that Bush stated that there was a collaboration between Al Qaeda and Iraq, which Bush never claimed.

    But sure, the Democrats had run a 5 year negative campaign against Bush and against the efforts of our Military in Iraq and it was indeed the tipping point for the election of Obama. But then in the same way the Democrats want to demonize Bush for going into Iraq, the same shallow interpretation would lead to the conclusion that Obama lied to the American people about consequences of leaving Iraq. It is becoming clear that the NIA had long warned the White House that a resurgent AQI would be the outcome of leaving Iraq, yet Obama stood before the American people and claimed the war was won, Iraq was peaceful and it was time to come home. Either he was lying or suffering from self imposed ignorance of the realities that were made available to him in his security briefings.

    Bush can't be faulted for what Obama made of Iraq.... and Syria... and Yemen... and Libya.
    Well again, you'll not see me defending the democrats pathetic support for the Iraq war. I opposed that war for reasons I've listed on so many numerous occasions. Of course in 2002-3 it was hugely unpopular to oppose the Bush administrations ambitions for Iraq. I really did suffer ridicule at work and play for doing so at the time. For democratic law makers, they feared for their careers, not that that buys them a pass from me at all. But a majority of Americans have finally caught up and recognize the mistake of the Iraq war. The question remains though, have Americans learned any lessons.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It wasn't in that manner that I was referring to the British not being up to the task.
    well in that regard I would agree, none of our politicans have the bottle to vote on it and the country as a whole is not interested in another conflict in the middle east.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    In compared to what is going on now, and what happened in the past from the invasion and as a result of the invasion? Absolutely.
    So you prefer large-scale government organized mass murder on a very large scale. That is your prerogative.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    well in that regard I would agree, none of our politicans have the bottle to vote on it and the country as a whole is not interested in another conflict in the middle east.
    There you have it, and I hope things remain that way.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ok... And..... ? What? Whats your point? Is this a good thing? Is it a good thing jihadis flocked to Iraq?
    Yes. It is Always better to fight these sorts of terrorists in Iraq than on the Streets of Western Europe or North America. You might prefer it the other way round. I don't.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yet another example of how terrible of an idea it was to go into Iraq in the first place back in 2003.
    How progressive!

    Live in the past, blame the leaders of the past, keep blaming them.

    That will fix the problems of today.

    How about once the loony left actualyl came up with a solution? It is clear the first black president hasn't got the first ****ing clue what do, he has surredered territory after territory to terrorists, the cancer is matastizing and all Obama and his pathetic lemmings can do is blame Bush.

    That sure brings in out of the box thinking.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    And the start of the disintegration of Iraq.
    They were able to do so only because BO and his Team dropped the SOFA. Once Intel was rolled back and pulled in.....there was no one that knew of any AQ in major numbers in Iraq. Although, it was known AQ was moving back in.

    So it really has no tie to Bush jr.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Yes. It is Always better to fight these sorts of terrorists in Iraq than on the Streets of Western Europe or North America. You might prefer it the other way round. I don't.
    So in your worldview it was an either or? It was either we open the door for these jihadis in Iraq and kill them there, or they were going to flood the streets of Western Europe or North America? This is your justification?


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