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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The problem is that the 2006 NIE proposed a problem that was solved by 2009. As such it is hard to blame Bush for the state of Iraq today. If the best argument against Bush is that Iraq would be better today with Saddam then the case is weak. You would only be replacing a brutal insurgency with institutionalized tyranical brutality. ISIS is a bunch of pikers compared to Saddam.

    The only reason why ISIS is successful is because we don't commit to eradicating them.
    Americans installed Obama in the WH (amongst other reasons of course) to bring America home from Iraq. A plurality of Americans recognize the folly of the invasion and occupation of Iraq. Despite Bush's efforts to draw a link between Saddam Hussein and AQ, Saddam Hussein and OBL, his fear mongering about Saddam Hussein's ability to produce mushroom clouds over US cities and the like, that dog don't hunt and a very tiny amount of people still support those silly notions. The fact is that neither Hussein, Mubarak, Gaddafi nor Assad gave any quarters to Islamic extremists, and as both China and Russia both accurately predicted, US interference has caused Islamic extremism to spread throughout the region. And they didn't have to be just real brite to make such observation either.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I see. But you would like to see the British lead the charge and deal with the Islamic State?
    On our own no, to make it credible many countries have to be involved inlcuding the Arab nations. Any intervention can't be seen as a western invasion.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    If that's what the Iraqi people want...
    They don't though, Anbar is just one region.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Also the arguement can be made that ISIS were pushed out of Iraq during the "awakening" and that it was the inaction/instablilty in Syria that allowed them to grow in numbers and become what we see them as today.
    Well of course. They began as the Islamic State in Iraq in 2006, capitalizing on the power vacuum created by the removal of Saddam Hussein, and taking advantage of the power vacuum in Syria, moved right in there as well, adding the second S to become the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    On our own no, to make it credible many countries have to be involved inlcuding the Arab nations. Any intervention can't be seen as a western invasion.
    I think that's because the British aren't up to the task. Look, we can't keep creating crisis in the ME just to provide job security for our militaries, and maintain employment for our defense contractors.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    You prefer the stability of the mass grave and the Baathist terror-regime?
    In compared to what is going on now, and what happened in the past from the invasion and as a result of the invasion? Absolutely.

    Seriously, Iraq was,'t stable before the US intervention,
    Iraq also had a lot better control of its territory and it wasnt the international jihadi playground.

    it wasn't stable during the US intervention
    No way? Really? A country wasnt stable when another country was invading it?

    and it isn't stable after the US intervention.
    Duh.

    During the intervention the US did use the opportunity to turn Iraq into the graveyard for thousands of jihadi terrorists from various countries.
    Ok... And..... ? What? Whats your point? Is this a good thing? Is it a good thing jihadis flocked to Iraq?
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Seeing as how our inept federal government wants to overthrow both governments. I would say that it doesn't matter what type of government you are, if you're stable in the middle east chances are our government wants to topple you. Except Israel.
    I see. The United States, with its enormous military, has been itching for years to overthrow the governments of Oman, Bahrein, and Jordan, but it's just too inept to accomplish that goal.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well of course. They began as the Islamic State in Iraq in 2006, capitalizing on the power vacuum created by the removal of Saddam Hussein, and taking advantage of the power vacuum in Syria, moved right in there as well, adding the second S to become the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.
    And the start of the disintegration of Iraq.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I think that's because the British aren't up to the task. Look, we can't keep creating crisis in the ME just to provide job security for our militaries, and maintain employment for our defense contractors.
    I think you have no idea how much firepower we have, we could flatten Anbar in hours. Also we have years of expierance patrolling and policing hostile areas though our time in Northern Ireland which is why Basra was so well contained and why we held Helmand for so long. Our COIN tactics were closley watched by American forces who had little expierance in such climates.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I think you have no idea how much firepower we have, we could flatten Anbar in hours. Also we have years of expierance patrolling and policing hostile areas though our time in Northern Ireland which is why Basra was so well contained and why we held Helmand for so long. Our COIN tactics were closley watched by American forces who had little expierance in such climates.
    It wasn't in that manner that I was referring to the British not being up to the task.
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