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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The problem is that the 2006 NIE proposed a problem that was solved by 2009. As such it is hard to blame Bush for the state of Iraq today. If the best argument against Bush is that Iraq would be better today with Saddam then the case is weak. You would only be replacing a brutal insurgency with institutionalized tyranical brutality. ISIS is a bunch of pikers compared to Saddam.

    The only reason why ISIS is successful is because we don't commit to eradicating them.
    Also the arguement can be made that ISIS were pushed out of Iraq during the "awakening" and that it was the inaction/instablilty in Syria that allowed them to grow in numbers and become what we see them as today.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No unfourtuntly not, people in the West have yet to work out how dangerous ISIS are and how dangerous they could yet become.
    In some ways Obama was correct in labeling ISIS a "JV Team", what he apparently didn't contemplate was the effectiveness of a JV team when you only subject them to opposition no higher than peewee league. If the US committed to eradicating ISIS it would be over faster than the first Gulf War, and more lopsided... but we don't do it.

    Go in, destroy ISIS, get a new SOFA that puts an operational force of 20,000 troops whose sole purpose is to the smack down fledgling insurgencies like ISIS and then sit their for a few decades.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    During the US occupation Iraq was the world's major killing ground for destroying jihadi terrorists. I think it was better to fight and kill them there than in Europe or North America. But you might disagree of course.
    What does that have to do with the comment you just quoted?
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What does that have to do with the comment you just quoted?
    If you find it too difficult to read your own postings I can't really help you.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No unfourtuntly not, people in the West have yet to work out how dangerous ISIS are and how dangerous they could yet become.
    I see. But you would like to see the British lead the charge and deal with the Islamic State?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Also the arguement can be made that ISIS were pushed out of Iraq during the "awakening" and that it was the inaction/instablilty in Syria that allowed them to grow in numbers and become what we see them as today.
    No doubt AQI reconstituted, renamed and committed to a new, bigger purpose after fleeing to Syria. It just so happened that the mysticism of global caliphate is predicated on war raging from Syria to Yemen. When ISIS retreated to Syria and saw civil war brewing there they realized that it was just a matter of checking off boxes on the Caliphate checklist.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    If you find it too difficult to read your own postings I can't really help you.
    That somehow us destabilizing Iraq and opening up to terrorists worldwide, somehow is good? Bad? What?
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    They have some support in Anbar but they don't in other regions. If ISIS are allowed to to gain control of Anbar it could get out of control fast.
    If that's what the Iraqi people want...

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    That somehow us destabilizing Iraq and opening up to terrorists worldwide, somehow is good? Bad? What?
    You prefer the stability of the mass grave and the Baathist terror-regime?

    Seriously, Iraq was,'t stable before the US intervention, it wasn't stable during the US intervention and it isn't stable after the US intervention. During the intervention the US did use the opportunity to turn Iraq into the graveyard for thousands of jihadi terrorists from various countries.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No unfourtuntly not, people in the West have yet to work out how dangerous ISIS are and how dangerous they could yet become.
    They can't be that dangerous. McCain met with them to provide them with classified information and money...

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