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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    That is flat out revisionism.



    Obama wanted to keep 10,000 troops in Iraq, ABC's Raddatz claims | PunditFact

    All the reporting at the time was that the Iraqi government no longer wanted us there:

    Iraq’s Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence | TIME.com
    It's not revisionist. Your Time article makes the ludicrous claim that the troop pull out was Bush's fault when the status of forces agreement was always for Obama to negotiate.

    The NYT article actually goes into detail of the step by step process in the negotiation and why it failed, your Time article shows absolutely no signs of actually interviewing anyone involved in the investigation, just left wing opinion swill. Maliki wanted troops, a lot of them.

    The Politifact article has Martha Raddatz claiming that the White House wanted 10,000 troops, but then goes on to confirm that the Iraqis and US Military advisors wanted 16,000 troops and then goes on to confirm the NYT story that Obama only offered 1500 troops.

    That they then go on to say that Raddatz misleading and wrong statement is "mostly true" is simply another piece of evidence that Politifact is a dishonest joke. "She's wrong, Obama actually only offered 1500 troops... but he had earlier lied about wanting 10,000 troops that he never offered so we rate this lie mostly true."
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yet another example of how terrible of an idea it was to go into Iraq in the first place back in 2003.
    actually this is what happens when you tell your enemies when you are pulling out.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yet another example of how terrible of an idea it was to go into Iraq in the first place back in 2003.
    hindsight is 20/20.

    bush senior during the gulf war backed out of iraq when he had the chance to obliterate its govt,looking back now though its easy to see he predicted the outcome.


    whether or not we should have invaded,we did,and those problems we created will not go away by wishing we never started a war,nor will they go away by simply bombing the enemy.a strategic plan needs to be in place for long term stability,or we will end up with never ending conflict in iraq.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Unless their is an invervention from outside powers I predict that the Anbar province will be in ISIS hands by the end of the year. They have a foothold in the region and they enjoy a lot of support from the local population.
    Oh, well then there's no reason for us to be involved. The U.S. is a strong supporter of self-determination.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    For those who are interested, the declassified portion of the NIE can be found at: http://www.dni.gov/files/documents/S...0Judgments.pdf
    Yep, read it and weep. Can we hope that lessons have been learned.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    In retrospect Saddam Hussein would have managed Iraq a million times better.
    Not just would have, he did.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ....and still would have done a better job. That's how badly we cocked this thing up since the start. This is why when you go to war you need......a plan.
    Better still, this is why you don't make **** up about other countries so you can go break them, leaving behind a power vacuum that assuredly will be exploited.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    hindsight is 20/20.

    bush senior during the gulf war backed out of iraq when he had the chance to obliterate its govt,looking back now though its easy to see he predicted the outcome.


    whether or not we should have invaded,we did,and those problems we created will not go away by wishing we never started a war,nor will they go away by simply bombing the enemy.a strategic plan needs to be in place for long term stability,or we will end up with never ending conflict in iraq.
    Those of us that were opposing this in real time, at the time, had 20/20 foresight vision. It took a long time for the rest to catch up, but finally a plurality of Americans acknowledge the tragedy of Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq. And by no means are we finished paying for his colossal **** up.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    Oh, well then there's no reason for us to be involved. The U.S. is a strong supporter of self-determination.


    Well..............unless it's eastern Ukrainians, Crimean's or the folks in Bahrain.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    actually this is what happens when you tell your enemies when you are pulling out.
    Oh yes! It was all great in Iraq when we were there! It was stable! Not corrupt! Not under constant attacks from terrorist groups! It was great!
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