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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    One CIA man calls BS on all the intelligence agencies. You need to get over your obsession with defending the "deciders" collosal failure of taking America to war in Iraq and squandering American blood and treasure. There's only a handful of you guys left defending this atrocity, give it up dude.

    In a Thursday panel at Cato on conservatism and war, U.S. Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and John Duncan (R-Tenn.) revealed that the vast majority of GOP members of Congress now think it was WRONG for the U.S. to invade Iraq in 2003.

    The discussion was moderated by Grover Norquist, who asked the congressmen how many of their colleagues now think the war was a mistake.

    GOP Congressmen: Most Republicans Now Think Iraq War Was a Mistake | Cato @ Liberty

    Yeah the one that was running things for the CIA and knew exactly what was being told to Clinton was being told to Bush Jr. The same guy that ran things for BO. Picked by BO.

    Post 133 again. Its not what you know now......its what you knew then. Like BO's man said.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh yes! It was all great in Iraq when we were there! It was stable! Not corrupt! Not under constant attacks from terrorist groups! It was great!
    At the start of Obama's tenure, Iraq was a work in progress. Yes, there were issues that still needed to be addressed, but things were getting better.

    Then Obama pulled out us out completely and ignored the Iraqi govt's pleas for help when ISIS started taking territory. And when he finally decided to send help, he tied the military's hands.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah but here is another issue.....BO and his Team. Knew that Ansar al Sharia had spread from Yemen to Libya. All during that time AQIL was bickering with AQ Prime. Nothing was said or barely reported on. Which BO and Team kept reporting that AQAP was the most dangerous of Branches. Knowing their Bomb maker was in Syria.

    BO's own Ambassador came out and stated others in the Iraqi government were warning too. Especially the Kurds.
    Most of his advisers are outside of their depth. What he wants, they give him. they would screw up the Lords Prayer.
    Lots of experience around and it is not looked upon or used.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We hardly kept the country pacified when we had over 150,000 men over there. If you think 15,000 troops would have made any difference today then you are living in a fantasy world.
    No, I am not. ISIS is not a well organized fighting force and numbers maybe 30,000 in all. The 150,000 troops in the surge were fighting a force of over 300,000 that were better trained than this ragtag bunch in ISIS.
    Give a man a fish and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish and he stops voting for the Free Fish party.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Most of his advisers are outside of their depth. What he wants, they give him. they would screw up the Lords Prayer.
    Lots of experience around and it is not looked upon or used.


    Well this situation with Ramadi bring things into perspective......which they still have containment considered as an option.



    WASHINGTON (AP) — The fall of Ramadi calls into question the Obama administration's strategy in Iraq. Is there a Plan B?

    The current U.S. approach is a blend of retraining and rebuilding the Iraqi army, prodding Baghdad to reconcile with the nation's Sunnis, and bombing Islamic State targets from the air without committing American ground combat troops. But the rout revealed a weak Iraqi army, slow reconciliation and a bombing campaign that, while effective, is not decisive. On Monday, administration officials acknowledged the fall of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, as a "setback" in America's latest effort in Iraq. They still maintained the campaign would ultimately bring victory.

    It seems highly unlikely that President Barack Obama would take the more dramatic route of sending ground combat forces into Iraq to rescue the situation in Ramadi or elsewhere. A White House spokesman, Eric Shultz, said Monday the U.S. will continue its support through airstrikes, advisers and trainers; he pointed to an intensified series of coalition air assaults in the Ramadi area, which included eight strikes overnight Sunday.....snip~

    Rout in Ramadi calls US Iraq strategy into question - AP News 5/18/2015 6:53 PM

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    No, I am not. ISIS is not a well organized fighting force and numbers maybe 30,000 in all. The 150,000 troops in the surge were fighting a force of over 300,000 that were better trained than this ragtag bunch in ISIS.
    The Iraqi military has over 270,000 active duty personnel. Yet they can't defeat ISIS in their own country. Moreover, its not like we killed or captured all 300,000 insurgents. Most of them are still there and would be taking the opportunity to hit us while we dealt with the instability resulting from ISIS. The fact is we were much better off with the brutal dictator Saddam in power and containing him. All we can hope to do today is contain the place again. A brutal dictator is what it takes to keep any semblance of stability over there.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well this situation with Ramadi bring things into perspective......which they still have containment considered as an option.



    WASHINGTON (AP) — The fall of Ramadi calls into question the Obama administration's strategy in Iraq. Is there a Plan B?

    The current U.S. approach is a blend of retraining and rebuilding the Iraqi army, prodding Baghdad to reconcile with the nation's Sunnis, and bombing Islamic State targets from the air without committing American ground combat troops. But the rout revealed a weak Iraqi army, slow reconciliation and a bombing campaign that, while effective, is not decisive. On Monday, administration officials acknowledged the fall of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar province, as a "setback" in America's latest effort in Iraq. They still maintained the campaign would ultimately bring victory.

    It seems highly unlikely that President Barack Obama would take the more dramatic route of sending ground combat forces into Iraq to rescue the situation in Ramadi or elsewhere. A White House spokesman, Eric Shultz, said Monday the U.S. will continue its support through airstrikes, advisers and trainers; he pointed to an intensified series of coalition air assaults in the Ramadi area, which included eight strikes overnight Sunday.....snip~

    Rout in Ramadi calls US Iraq strategy into question - AP News 5/18/2015 6:53 PM
    They could have used Shia Militias to reinforce the area previously. But then the Sunni wanted no part of them, justifiably and now they do. Why they could not get some Army troops there is unbelievable.
    But boots on the ground, just sucks the US in farther.
    The hardline Shia have displaced Abadi.
    And consider he was also part of the Maliki regime who targeted Sunni's. And was seen by many as a weak sister.
    Let them go at it.
    The country will eventually split along sectarian lines.
    Why place troops into a ****hole.
    It does not serve a strategic position. It serves Iran's though.
    Welcome to one of the repercussions from replacing Saddam.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/wo...authority.html
    BAGHDAD — As Shiite militiamen began streaming toward Ramadi on Monday to try to reverse the loss of the city to the Islamic State, the defeat has given new momentum to Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi’s rivals within his own Shiite political bloc.

    At the urging of American officials who sought to sideline the militias, Mr. Abadi had, in effect, gambled that the combination of United States airstrikes and local Sunni tribal fighters would be able to drive Islamic State fighters out of the city as fighting intensified in recent weeks. The hope was that a victory in Ramadi could also serve as a push for a broader offensive to retake the Sunni heartland of Anbar Province.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    They could have used Shia Militias to reinforce the area previously. But then the Sunni wanted no part of them, justifiably and now they do. Why they could not get some Army troops there is unbelievable.
    But boots on the ground, just sucks the US in farther.
    The hardline Shia have displaced Abadi.
    And consider he was also part of the Maliki regime who targeted Sunni's. And was seen by many as a weak sister.
    Let them go at it.
    The country will eventually split along sectarian lines.
    Why place troops into a ****hole.
    It does not serve a strategic position. It serves Iran's though.
    Welcome to one of the repercussions from replacing Saddam.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/wo...authority.html

    Then there was the Kurds.....which Right now Abadi is the one who is holding up their shipments of arms. The Shia will side with Iran anyways. Now even Iran is popping off that they should have been allowed to take the lead on this. Which we know the Sunni Tribes are not going for that.

    Once again the Sunni Iraqi Army gave up ground to the Sunni ISIS fighters.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Then there was the Kurds.....which Right now Abadi is the one who is holding up their shipments of arms. The Shia will side with Iran anyways. Now even Iran is popping off that they should have been allowed to take the lead on this. Which we know the Sunni Tribes are not going for that.

    Once again the Sunni Iraqi Army gave up ground to the Sunni ISIS fighters.
    Time is getting close for an Independent Kurdistan.
    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Time is getting close for an Independent Kurdistan.
    They are the only ones that have our back there.....without looking to put something sharp into it. Still ISIS and all connected to them, is everyones problem. Everyone needs to get into the game. EA Sports like.

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