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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Nope. Not alone. And it might be opportune to say the invasion was wrong for many reasons, because it is politically correct and getting speaker engagements is easier, but that does not change the reality. And that was that it was quite right to go in at the time.
    Sorry buddy.

    In a Thursday panel at Cato on conservatism and war, U.S. Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and John Duncan (R-Tenn.) revealed that the vast majority of GOP members of Congress now think it was wrong for the U.S. to invade Iraq in 2003.

    The discussion was moderated by Grover Norquist, who asked the congressmen how many of their colleagues now think the war was a mistake.

    GOP Congressmen: Most Republicans Now Think Iraq War Was a Mistake | Cato @ Liberty
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Points you made are valid. But until ISIL went rampaging with their brutality the average John Q Public wanted nothing to do with Iraq.
    2 wars, people wanted it done for.
    Yeah but here is another issue.....BO and his Team. Knew that Ansar al Sharia had spread from Yemen to Libya. All during that time AQIL was bickering with AQ Prime. Nothing was said or barely reported on. Which BO and Team kept reporting that AQAP was the most dangerous of Branches. Knowing their Bomb maker was in Syria.

    BO's own Ambassador came out and stated others in the Iraqi government were warning too. Especially the Kurds.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry buddy.

    In a Thursday panel at Cato on conservatism and war, U.S. Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and John Duncan (R-Tenn.) revealed that the vast majority of GOP members of Congress now think it was wrong for the U.S. to invade Iraq in 2003.

    The discussion was moderated by Grover Norquist, who asked the congressmen how many of their colleagues now think the war was a mistake.

    GOP Congressmen: Most Republicans Now Think Iraq War Was a Mistake | Cato @ Liberty


    Sorry Buddy.....the CIA man at the time, then and now. Puts all that into perspective. Calls BS just as he sees it.


    MM: Yeah, I think it’s a totally unfair question, right, for somebody to say knowing what we know now, would you do something. That makes no sense, right? You never know what you know how when you’re making a decision. You only know what you knew then. So I think it’s a much more reasonable question to say if you knew then what President Bush knew, what you would do, and then it gets really tough, right? Because again, it’s all about the context, Hugh, and the context was, again, 3,000 people had just been killed, the CIA telling you that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, including restarting a nuclear weapons program that he had once and had stopped, the CIA telling you that he supports Palestinian terrorist groups, and not al Qaeda, but Palestinian terrorist groups, and the President sitting there thinking you know, I can’t afford to take the risk of this guy use those weapons of mass destruction against me directly, or I can’t take the risk of him giving those weapons to a terrorist group. So when you put the context around anything, right, you look at it in a different light. So I think people have been completely unfair to Governor Bush here. The question is not given what you know now. The question really is given what you know then, that’s the question I think he thought he was answering. And given all the members of Congress at the time who voted to go to war in Iraq and given what the President thought, I think the Governor is on solid footing.

    HH: A couple of pages later, you write that the CIA’s judgment about Saddam and WMD was nothing new, nor was it unique. The perception that the Bush administration pushed the intelligence community toward believing that Saddam had WMD is just wrong. No one pushed us. We were already there. The notion that we were telling the White House wanted to hear can easily be debunked. Look at the question of Saddam’s connections to al Qaeda. We held our ground, the Agency held its ground, and refused to go where the intelligence did not take us. On WMD, if we’d believed it was likely Saddam had none, it would have been an act of madness to take the position we did. Following an invasion, a stockpile would either turn up or not. To go to war knowing you’re going to be proving wrong would be insane. That’s the kind of airtight analysis that has been missing from a lot of this hyper-politicized debate.

    MM: So for years, for years, there’s been the view out there, Hugh, that CIA, the U.S. intelligence community, was pushed into this judgment by the Bush White House or hardliners in the Bush administration. It’s complete nonsense, as I walk through in the book. You know, I’ll tell you, the only thing you really need to know is that the CIA believed this about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction before George Bush ever came to office. We were telling the same story to President Clinton......snip~

    Former CIA Deputy Director Mike Morell on "The Great War Of Our Time" The Hugh Hewitt Show

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Sorry buddy.

    In a Thursday panel at Cato on conservatism and war, U.S. Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and John Duncan (R-Tenn.) revealed that the vast majority of GOP members of Congress now think it was wrong for the U.S. to invade Iraq in 2003.

    The discussion was moderated by Grover Norquist, who asked the congressmen how many of their colleagues now think the war was a mistake.

    GOP Congressmen: Most Republicans Now Think Iraq War Was a Mistake | Cato @ Liberty
    It is easier to say that with knowledge of what we now know it was a mistake. That calms the population and the schnucks that dislike Bush and all that. But, of course, that does not mean that the desicion was wrong given the information then at hand.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Anyone here making that claim? No? Didn't think so. 15,000 troops would be sufficient to handle ISIS and it's 30,000 barbarians.
    We hardly kept the country pacified when we had over 150,000 men over there. If you think 15,000 troops would have made any difference today then you are living in a fantasy world.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

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    Sorry Buddy.....the CIA man at the time, then and now. Puts all that into perspective. Calls BS just as he sees it.


    MM: Yeah, I think it’s a totally unfair question, right, for somebody to say knowing what we know now, would you do something. That makes no sense, right? You never know what you know how when you’re making a decision. You only know what you knew then. So I think it’s a much more reasonable question to say if you knew then what President Bush knew, what you would do, and then it gets really tough, right? Because again, it’s all about the context, Hugh, and the context was, again, 3,000 people had just been killed, the CIA telling you that Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction, including restarting a nuclear weapons program that he had once and had stopped, the CIA telling you that he supports Palestinian terrorist groups, and not al Qaeda, but Palestinian terrorist groups, and the President sitting there thinking you know, I can’t afford to take the risk of this guy use those weapons of mass destruction against me directly, or I can’t take the risk of him giving those weapons to a terrorist group. So when you put the context around anything, right, you look at it in a different light. So I think people have been completely unfair to Governor Bush here. The question is not given what you know now. The question really is given what you know then, that’s the question I think he thought he was answering. And given all the members of Congress at the time who voted to go to war in Iraq and given what the President thought, I think the Governor is on solid footing.

    HH: A couple of pages later, you write that the CIA’s judgment about Saddam and WMD was nothing new, nor was it unique. The perception that the Bush administration pushed the intelligence community toward believing that Saddam had WMD is just wrong. No one pushed us. We were already there. The notion that we were telling the White House wanted to hear can easily be debunked. Look at the question of Saddam’s connections to al Qaeda. We held our ground, the Agency held its ground, and refused to go where the intelligence did not take us. On WMD, if we’d believed it was likely Saddam had none, it would have been an act of madness to take the position we did. Following an invasion, a stockpile would either turn up or not. To go to war knowing you’re going to be proving wrong would be insane. That’s the kind of airtight analysis that has been missing from a lot of this hyper-politicized debate.

    MM: So for years, for years, there’s been the view out there, Hugh, that CIA, the U.S. intelligence community, was pushed into this judgment by the Bush White House or hardliners in the Bush administration. It’s complete nonsense, as I walk through in the book. You know, I’ll tell you, the only thing you really need to know is that the CIA believed this about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction before George Bush ever came to office. We were telling the same story to President Clinton......snip~

    Former CIA Deputy Director Mike Morell on "The Great War Of Our Time" The Hugh Hewitt Show
    One CIA man calls BS on all the intelligence agencies. You need to get over your obsession with defending the "deciders" collosal failure of taking America to war in Iraq and squandering American blood and treasure. There's only a handful of you guys left defending this atrocity, give it up dude.

    In a Thursday panel at Cato on conservatism and war, U.S. Reps. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif.) Tom McClintock (R-Calif.) and John Duncan (R-Tenn.) revealed that the vast majority of GOP members of Congress now think it was WRONG for the U.S. to invade Iraq in 2003.

    The discussion was moderated by Grover Norquist, who asked the congressmen how many of their colleagues now think the war was a mistake.

    GOP Congressmen: Most Republicans Now Think Iraq War Was a Mistake | Cato @ Liberty
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I'm not trying to say that Saddam was a good guy here, just pointing out the picture of Iraq then and now. Looking back it stands to reason that invading Iraq was not such a bright idea, the lasting effects will be something the next several Presidents will have to deal with. We are already up to 4 Presidents in a row to drop a bomb on Iraq for one reason or another, and as of late Iraq is in far worse shape today.
    Victory was never really the goal. A permanent US military presence was the goal, a war without end. It's good for business.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It is easier to say that with knowledge of what we now know it was a mistake. That calms the population and the schnucks that dislike Bush and all that. But, of course, that does not mean that the desicion was wrong given the information then at hand.
    No. That's the part I've told you repeatedly. I knew, what we know now back in 2002-3 and stood adamantly against this nonsense. There's no excuse for the democratic support of Bush's folly. But besides that, Jesus Christ, at least join your party and acknowledge now, today, that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was in fact a mistake that didn't just cost the lives of 4,500 US servicemen/women and a trillion dollars. But cost the lives of at least 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, and a country that's suffering its effects yet, as we speak.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    No. That's the part I've told you repeatedly. I knew, what we know now back in 2002-3 and stood adamantly against this nonsense. There's no excuse for the democratic support of Bush's folly. But besides that, Jesus Christ, at least join your party and acknowledge now, today, that the invasion and occupation of Iraq was in fact a mistake that didn't just cost the lives of 4,500 US servicemen/women and a trillion dollars. But cost the lives of at least 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians, and a country that's suffering its effects yet, as we speak.
    we have been through a this and you sound like rt. I think you are not only wrong but wrong headed in this.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    One did not need to be a brilliant military strategist in 2003 to understand that Iraq posed NO THREAT WHATSOEVER to US security.

    Bush & Cheney took the country to war for ulterior motives, nothing more, mostly money.

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