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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Besides the fact that Americans sent Obama to Washington in 2008 to bring our troops home from Iraq,

    Iraq’s Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence
    Iraq’s Government, Not Obama, Called Time on the U.S. Troop Presence | TIME.com
    I don't waste my time reading rags like Time. The fact Americans did that testifies mainly to the dumbing-down of America during the past several decades. As our public schools have cranked out more and more indoctrinated know-nothings during that period, the U.S. has developed a lumpenproletariat of tens of millions of leftist dim bulbs who resent and disdain most things about it. Not surprising these specimens would help elect a damned, disloyal liar like B. Hussein Obama. He is a man after their own hearts.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yet another example of how terrible of an idea it was to pull out all American forces.
    You are in the minority opinion. A plurality of Americans acknowledge the Iraq war as a mistake!
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't waste my time reading rags like Time. The fact Americans did that testifies mainly to the dumbing-down of America during the past several decades. As our public schools have cranked out more and more indoctrinated know-nothings during that period, the U.S. has developed a lumpenproletariat of tens of millions of leftist dim bulbs who resent and disdain most things about it. Not surprising these specimens would help elect a damned, disloyal liar like B. Hussein Obama. He is a man after their own hearts.
    The department of education is to blame for Bush's failed Iraq policy, lol. Now that's a first.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The department of education is to blame for Bush's failed Iraq policy, lol. Now that's a first.
    Don't you understand, had we just continued the surge and kept 100,000 American troops in Iraq and continued to spend a minimum of 100 billion a month, we could have kept the country relatively stable forever. We are only talking about 150 trillion or so a century.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Don't you understand, had we just continued the surge and kept 100,000 American troops in Iraq and continued to spend a minimum of 100 billion a month, we could have kept the country relatively stable forever. We are only talking about 150 trillion or so a century.
    Exactly. I don't think that you could break Iraq and then ever leave.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Exactly. I don't think that you could break Iraq and then ever leave.
    You could, you just would have to find a strong and brutal dictator to run it. We could also hand it over to Iran which we more or less did when we deposed Saddam anyway.

    What is laughable though is the notion that we could have left 10,000 troops there walled up in the green zone and that would kept the country stable.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You could, you just would have to find a strong and brutal dictator to run it. We could also hand it over to Iran which we more or less did when we deposed Saddam anyway.

    What is laughable though is the notion that we could have left 10,000 troops there walled up in the green zone and that would kept the country stable.
    Many argued for far more than 10K. And they were right. A country the size of Iraq, with the issues of Iraq would have required far more, and there would have been a steady stream of dead soldiers coming home in perpetuity. This isn't what Americans wanted. I only wish/hope that Americans have learned some lessons. I was a bit hopeful when 70% of Americans opposed the military engagement in Syria last summer, though there seems to be back door attempts around that now.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Don't you understand, had we just continued the surge and kept 100,000 American troops in Iraq and continued to spend a minimum of 100 billion a month, we could have kept the country relatively stable forever. We are only talking about 150 trillion or so a century.
    Anyone here making that claim? No? Didn't think so. 15,000 troops would be sufficient to handle ISIS and it's 30,000 barbarians.
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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How does that change up with him visiting Team BO twice for aid, and getting denied? All in 2013. What do you see if BO decides to work things out rather than walk away? Meaning AQIL's difficulty then.
    At that time did they not have the men and equipment?
    No one figured the ineptitude, corruption and lack of leadership would cause such a disaster.
    Should they have, yes, did they, no. At that time the American public had had more than enough of Iraq and expending blood and treasure.
    From the link. Maliki asks for patience yet he was the one person responsible for most of this disaster.
    He backed Shia militias targeting Sunni's.
    He sold leadership positions in the Military.
    The West has done enough. The hatred between Shia and Sunni after this will not be glossed over.
    Syria, another ****hole.
    Lebanon, only a bombing or 2 before that place reverts to sectarian war, with Iran supporting Hezbollah.
    Saudi and Turkey want regime change in Syria.
    Turkey is on the border and a short drive thru Jordan for Saudi to Syrian territory.

    Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki Urges Greater U.S. Support | United States Institute of Peace
    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, in an October 31 address at the U.S. Institute of Peace (USIP) in Washington, called for more support from the United States in countering an ongoing wave of terrorism in Iraq that has been attributed primarily to al-Qaida-backed extremists, as well as for American patience as Iraq tries to build its young democracy amid the country’s deep internal political disputes.
    Nouri al-Maliki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Sunni friction
    The reign of al-Maliki has been described as sectarian by both Sunnite Iraqis and western analysts; something which helped fuel a Sunni uprising in the country in 2014.[31] During the Northern Iraq offensive, beginning in June 2014, ISIS vowed to take power away from al-Maliki, who called upon Kurdish forces to help keep Iraq out of the hands of ISIS, as well as air support from American drones in order to eliminate dangerous jihadist elements in the country, which was refused by the United States, as "administration spokesmen have insisted that the United States is not actively considering using warplanes or armed drones to strike [jihadist havens]." During this crisis, al-Maliki was the target of a propaganda campaign by ISIS, whom they called an "underwear salesman," stating he "lost a historic opportunity for your people to control Iraq, and the Shiites will always curse you for as long as they live."[32]
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: ISIS seizes key Iraqi city of Ramadi as government forces pull back

    The Middle East is a graveyard for empires. And some people never do learn a lesson.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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