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Harvard accused of bias against Asian-Americans

The hypcrocisy in this thread is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

That's liberalism for you. They insist that discriminating against whites and asians is a way to FIGHT racism!!
 
Nobody said anything about the Obamas. I know that you're trying to use deductive reasoning to draw a conclusion about how my argument would affect Sasha and Malia Obama, but I suggest that you stop because you've failed.

I am just pointing out your purely racist attitude to college admissions.
 
Obama's daughters are...

1)Children of a politician

2)Children of an Ivy Graduate.


If you knew anything about Elite college admissions you'd know that those two factors each have a much greater chance of them being accepted into an elite school than their race. However since you're a conservative race-baiter you're ignoring these factors. You're a typical conservative.

Too bad you fail to understand what the discussion is about. try removing your ideological blinkers.
 
We don't live in a meritocracy to begin with and Harvard cannot operate as a strictly numbers based admissions because it rejects 50% of apps with PERFECT grades and SAT. Think about that. This guarantees that without AA, only the kids of the 1% will get in.

AA can be seen largely as leveling the playing field and besides, the idea is that a diverse campus benefits everyone. The fact is that *maybe* 200 fewer white or asian kids get in, out of 20,000 applications. Harvard could simply accept 200 more and call it a day, if they wanted, but they *like* and *choose* to reject as many as possible. In fact, they encourage kids with no chance to get in to apply, just to keep the admit rate low.

So no, you aren't getting into harvard, with or without AA. The greater uproar should be over the far lower standards for athletes, as i just don't see how that contributes anything of value to a place like that.
 
We don't live in a meritocracy to begin with and Harvard cannot operate as a strictly numbers based admissions because it rejects 50% of apps with PERFECT grades and SAT. Think about that. This guarantees that without AA, only the kids of the 1% will get in.

AA can be seen largely as leveling the playing field and besides, the idea is that a diverse campus benefits everyone. The fact is that *maybe* 200 fewer white or asian kids get in, out of 20,000 applications. Harvard could simply accept 200 more and call it a day, if they wanted, but they *like* and *choose* to reject as many as possible. In fact, they encourage kids with no chance to get in to apply, just to keep the admit rate low.

So no, you aren't getting into harvard, with or without AA. The greater uproar should be over the far lower standards for athletes, as i just don't see how that contributes anything of value to a place like that.

Affirmative action does not "level the playing field" because it treats people purely on the basis of the colour of their skin, i.e. it considers a rich Black kid more disadvantaged than a poor White kid.
 
Affirmative action ban at UC, 15 years later - San Jose Mercury News

get rid of affirmative action and blacks getting into top tier public universities plummet

There's a radical group of black students here who try to block traffic and hold sit ins to "force" admission to admit more blacks each year, but each year since the state ban the % goes down.

Under the quota system, none would ever do group work with black/hispanic classmates. It was assumed they didn't belong. Since those minorities graduated at 20% lower rate, there's an argument the system didn't benefit them either.

So why is a bunch of black students who did earn their way demanding a return to this? "Not enough here look like me." What, skin color is all that matters? They can't make friends who aren't black? What's especially hilarious is these groups are usually from the more affluent black families, certainly not the detroit ghetto. They have more in common with most of the white students than they would've with the black students who used to get in only cause of quotas.
 
Actually, affirmative action is about countering other admissions policies that benefit white people unequally, including legacy policies, so the policies discussed in the OP have everything to do with that. If you don't understand this, then that explains why you are so committed to your misinformed position on affirmative action - you truly have no idea what you're talking about. I almost stopped responding to you because your comments were so absurd, but now I'm glad I continued because I understand the root of the absurdity.

What utter nonsense. Yes AA is about countering other admissions that have existed in the past but these admissions no longer exist, the way you argue that we need racial discrimination at present so to counter the racial discrimination of the past is nothing short of childish and ridiculously ignorant behavior.

I honestly could not care less if you keep responding to me or not, contrary to what you may have falsely convinced yourself about you you are not that important, certainly not when your arguments are so poorly constructed and are backed by childish and backwards thinking. :shrug:

The only reason I wasted time with you at all is because I was interested seeing what makes a person favor one type of racism over the other.
 
Something tells me the average American could care less if Harvard University dissipated tomorrow.


They're all elitist scum filth anyways who hate the average American many times over. The average person at Harvard wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire and don't forget it.
 
They aren't. The rich black person's race is considered. The poor black person's race and economic background is considered.

A rich Black/Hispanic person who faced no obstacles at all in his life would get the aid of the AA policies while a White/Asian person of the same status would not. If these policies did not exist, the Black/Hispanic person and the White/Asian person would be on an equal ground. Thus it can be concluded that this is a case of discrimination purely on a racial basis, and that is wrong, period. I much prefer the folk who openly support racial discrimination over those who do so dishonestly and then call it "equality".
 
Affirmative action does not "level the playing field" because it treats people purely on the basis of the colour of their skin, i.e. it considers a rich Black kid more disadvantaged than a poor White kid.

yes because that scenario is SO common

i will grant you that it should be more fine tuned so that it won't benefit say floyd mayweather or obama's kids, but it's not going to disadvantage the poor white kid from shantyville because, again, he will need 4.0 and 1600 SAT to even have a chance, and that's not going to happen, because he's poor!

Socioeconomic diversity should be the main consideration, not racial. That will still largely benefit black applicants, but that's because poverty is much higher for that group. Either way, the choice is largely between more diversity and more spoiled ass trust fund kids from posh boarding schools
 
A rich Black/Hispanic person who faced no obstacles at all in his life would get the aid of the AA policies while a White/Asian person of the same status would not. If these policies did not exist, the Black/Hispanic person and the White/Asian person would be on an equal ground. Thus it can be concluded that this is a case of discrimination purely on a racial basis, and that is wrong, period. I much prefer the folk who openly support racial discrimination over those who do so and then call it "equality".

You do realize you're whining over a 1/10,000 chance at getting into harvard for that poor white/asian kid, if the policy was dropped, right?

He sure as **** won't have perfect grades/SAT, 8+ APs, national/international awards and co-authored research that's needed to get in
 
yes because that scenario is SO common

i will grant you that it should be more fine tuned so that it won't benefit say floyd mayweather or obama's kids, but it's not going to disadvantage the poor white kid from shantyville because, again, he will need 4.0 and 1600 SAT to even have a chance, and that's not going to happen, because he's poor!

Socioeconomic diversity should be the main consideration, not racial. That will still largely benefit black applicants, but that's because poverty is much higher for that group. Either way, the choice is largely between more diversity and more spoiled ass trust fund kids from posh boarding schools

Glad to see you are admitting that affirmative action is indeed racist.

I don't agree that kids from disadvantaged socio-economic backgrounds are inherently incapable of excelling in education. And scholarships of all sorts can help with the financial side. I also disagree with your contention that rich kids are automatically going to get good grades on academic tests.
 
You do realize you're whining over a 1/10,000 chance at getting into harvard for that poor white/asian kid, if the policy was dropped, right?

He sure as **** won't have perfect grades/SAT, 8+ APs, national/international awards and co-authored research that's needed to get in

Harvard is far from being the only institute on the planet that has affirmative action policies.
 
So much anger and hate in this thread. It clouds people's logical thinking.
 
Glad to see you are admitting that affirmative action is indeed racist.

I don't agree that kids from disadvantaged socio-economic backgrounds are inherently incapable of excelling in education. And scholarships of all sorts can help with the financial side. I also disagree with your contention that rich kids are automatically going to get good grades on academic tests.

Poor white kids usually come from rural areas, where they don't even offer AP classes, and the only extracurricular is football. There weren't even enough kids for band some years. Harvard is just never going to even consider someone from that kind of background
 
Harvard is far from being the only institute on the planet that has affirmative action policies.

Pretty much only elite private schools are both difficult to get into and allowed to use race as a factor any more. That leaves about a dozen schools at most

As a white kid from a poor background who recently dealt with the admissions insanity, i can tell you, there was one guy who finished the year before me and got into Chicago and another to notre dame, and that was it...for the entire county

So 1/10,000 seems about right
 
Poor white kids usually come from rural areas, where they don't even offer AP classes, and the only extracurricular is football. There weren't even enough kids for band some years. Harvard is just never going to even consider someone from that kind of background

You have a much to deterministic and simplistic view on both the variety of socio-economic conditions and on the relationship with intellectual capacities.
 
You have a much to deterministic and simplistic view on both the variety of socio-economic conditions and on the relationship with intellectual capacities.

lol ok, keep beating this drum of the poor white man getting screwed out of elite colleges by the rich black man. I'm sure in its class of 2400, you might find 1-2 who fit the mold
 
Pretty much only elite private schools are both difficult to get into and allowed to use race as a factor any more. That leaves about a dozen schools at most

As a white kid from a poor background who recently dealt with the admissions insanity, i can tell you, there was one guy who finished the year before me and got into Chicago and another to notre dame, and that was it...for the entire county

So 1/10,000 seems about right

Elite private schools having a 1/10,000 acceptance rate makes sense mate. That's why they're called elite private schools.

Anyway:

Things Harder Than Getting To Harvard - Business Insider
 
lol ok, keep beating this drum of the poor white man getting screwed out of elite colleges by the rich black man. I'm sure in its class of 2400, you might find 1-2 who fit the mold

I feel universities should accept students based on their intellectual abilities, not on the basis of the colour of their skin. Too bad you disagree.
 
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