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    Re: U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    WHITE HOUSE HAS NO INTERNATIONAL LEGAL JUSTIFICATION FOR HITTING ISIS IN SYRIA
    BY JOSH ROGIN 09.23.1412:00 AM ET
    The White House has an answer for critics who want to know how the Obama administration can justify striking ISIS inside Syria under international law: If and when we actually do it, we will come up with a legal justification then.

    White House Has No International Legal Justification for Hitting ISIS in Syria - The Daily Beast

    Guess Obama came up with his back door, mission creep excuse.
    Sure we do - the AUMF.

    A raid into and out of Syria no more constitutes a campaign involving boots on the ground in Syria than our raid to kill Bin Laden represented an attempted replacement of the government of that country.

    But, as usual, you have started with your conclusion, and worked backwards. And, as usual, been schooled for your efforts.







    Good on the SOF involved - long-range raids like that are inherently dangerous, complex affairs, which they apparently pulled off without a hitch. SOCOM is earning it's budget increase. And a man who deserved to die is dead (it might have been handier if he was captured, but not everyone comes so agreeably), and ISIL will have to replace him.

    Unfortunately, they probably can. ISIL is old AQI, and they probably learned well the importance of maintaining a depth of leaders able to quickly step into any billet. Less of a degradation than a (limited) IO victory (now he's a martyr).

    There are probably only a couple of individuals in ISIL that we can kill that would actually have significant effects.
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    Re: U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The rule of law, international law, the will of the American people, congressional procedure, US credibility, all things that should interest you too. No i in my UN.
    Law is only legitimate, where it is accepted. Where it is not well made to protect the population, generally applied and robustly enforced It does not cut it. And as international law now stands, it makes security more expensive and increasingly it is becoming a danger, as it is so constructed that the game it defines will end in world war. So don't give me that naive worry about adhering to international law. It needs a whole remake and we need it soon.

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    Re: U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    WHITE HOUSE HAS NO INTERNATIONAL LEGAL JUSTIFICATION FOR HITTING ISIS IN SYRIA
    BY JOSH ROGIN 09.23.1412:00 AM ET
    The White House has an answer for critics who want to know how the Obama administration can justify striking ISIS inside Syria under international law: If and when we actually do it, we will come up with a legal justification then.

    White House Has No International Legal Justification for Hitting ISIS in Syria - The Daily Beast

    Guess Obama came up with his back door, mission creep excuse.


    Looks like Meehan says all was good to go this time. So, last time don't mean much now. As mentioned, Congressed has Authorized the use of force against ISIS and AQ.




    Meehan said the operation was conducted "with the full consent of Iraqi authorities" and "consistent with domestic and international law." .....snip~

    U.S. says its troops killed senior Islamic State leader in Syria raid

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    Re: U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Sure we do - the AUMF.

    A raid into and out of Syria no more constitutes a campaign involving boots on the ground in Syria than our raid to kill Bin Laden represented an attempted replacement of the government of that country.

    But, as usual, you have started with your conclusion, and worked backwards. And, as usual, been schooled for your efforts.







    Good on the SOF involved - long-range raids like that are inherently dangerous, complex affairs, which they apparently pulled off without a hitch. SOCOM is earning it's budget increase. And a man who deserved to die is dead (it might have been handier if he was captured, but not everyone comes so agreeably), and ISIL will have to replace him.

    Unfortunately, they probably can. ISIL is old AQI, and they probably learned well the importance of maintaining a depth of leaders able to quickly step into any billet. Less of a degradation than a (limited) IO victory (now he's a martyr).

    There are probably only a couple of individuals in ISIL that we can kill that would actually have significant effects.
    As usual, you carry your inflated opinion of yourself. This constitutes mission creep, as I pointed to in my very first post.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks like Meehan says all was good to go this time. So, last time don't mean much now. As mentioned, Congressed has Authorized the use of force against ISIS and AQ.




    Meehan said the operation was conducted "with the full consent of Iraqi authorities" and "consistent with domestic and international law." .....snip~

    U.S. says its troops killed senior Islamic State leader in Syria raid
    Ok, Iraq authorized a US boots on the ground operation in Syria. I understand.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Law is only legitimate, where it is accepted. Where it is not well made to protect the population, generally applied and robustly enforced It does not cut it. And as international law now stands, it makes security more expensive and increasingly it is becoming a danger, as it is so constructed that the game it defines will end in world war. So don't give me that naive worry about adhering to international law. It needs a whole remake and we need it soon.
    It's still law, change it and then move on.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Nor the British parliament, nor the US congress, nor 70% of Americans, nor Russia or China. No ones up to the tasks of the 21st century.
    This has everything to do with showing support to the Saudi position on Syria. Big meetings going on over the Iran deal.
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    Re: U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    As usual, you carry your inflated opinion of yourself. This constitutes mission creep, as I pointed to in my very first post.
    No it doesn't. You just said it constitutes 'Mission Creep' without justification. We've been conducting air strikes, raids, and insertions for almost two years now. Moreover this is in line with the litany of raids and special operations we have mounted in Somalia, Yemen, Libya, the Philippines, and many others. There is nothing to indicate that this represents some sort of shift in US policy, instead it represents a continuation of the status quo.

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    Re: U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, Iraq authorized a US boots on the ground operation in Syria. I understand.
    Well on one hand you can call it Syria.....but then ISIS calls it the Islamic State. Since they control the part of Syria that was hit, and the US Troopers had to come thru Iraq. So yes, the Iraqis had to give their consent. As they have been fighting ISIS on the ground that ISIS claims for their State inside Iraq.

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    Re: U.S. commandos enter Syria, kill Islamic State commander in charge of oil fields

    "White House Has No International Legal Justification for Hitting ISIS in Syria - The Daily Beast"

    So what? Does ISIS have international legal justification to burn people to death in cages? That has to be one of the silliest things I've ever read.

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