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    Re: Boston bomber Tsarnaev sentenced to death for 2013 attack

    Good. No need to allow him a life of relative comfort, no matter the additional cost.

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    Re: Boston bomber Tsarnaev sentenced to death for 2013 attack

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I have never understood why the death penalty is considered a more just punishment than life in prison. Life in a supermax prison DOES suck. Death is just a dreamless sleep. No suffering, no regrets, no nothing. Just like before one is born...nothing.

    People kill themselves to escape dispair. We often feel relief when a loved one suffering from a terminal and painful disease finally passes away, not because we want them gone, but because they are finally no longer suffering.

    Euthanizing one's beloved pet when it is in incurable pain is considered a kindness by most people.

    And now we are going to extend this same kindness to a killer rather than make him endure incarceration for the rest of his life.

    I don't get it.


    I just don't get it.
    I'm strongly against the death penalty generally speaking but regarding your claims you are wrong.

    When a mass murderer is being put to death it is not done simply out of revenge(which lest we forget is simply another word for justice), but mainly so to rid society of him and the danger that he poses for good. When someone gets life in prison it usually does not mean he will meet his end in prison and these prisoners tend to be released eventually. Even if the guy is a 100 years old when he's released back to society it's wrong to let it happen. In the case of high-profile terrorists like this maniac you even run the chance of having terrorists from overseas (or at home) abducting people and taking them hostage demanding you to release him, so the death penalty does ensure it ain't going to happen.

    My issue with the death penalty like most folk here is that once you find out that the guy was innocent and was wrongly accused, which is something that tends to happen, you cannot undo the punishment if he's dead. I do however have no issue at all with killing mass murderers who the evidence to their crimes is quite conclusive such as in this case. That is generally the case with terrorists' trials.
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    Re: Boston bomber Tsarnaev sentenced to death for 2013 attack

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    Once you've been executed it is very difficult to keep filing new lawsuits.
    I thought that's what the Devil's advocate is there for.
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    Re: Boston bomber Tsarnaev sentenced to death for 2013 attack

    I don't think the jury thought this through...

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    This was a mistake.

    Not because of the DP; I'm not anti-DP. And if anyone deserves the DP, it's Tsarnaev.

    It's a mistake because there's a good chance that it will backfire. Jihadists will begin calling this guy a martyr, and it will lead to more copycat attempts at this kind of bombing. Better that he should be beaten to death by fellow inmates.

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    Re: Boston bomber Tsarnaev sentenced to death for 2013 attack

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    With regard to killer (known as specific deterrence), it is unparalleled in it's effectiveness. For it to be more of a general deterrent, it would need to be used far more often and rather publicly. Quite frankly, some people just ****ing deserve it.
    Public executions is very Dark Ages and totalitarian. In totalitarism it is used as a fear tactic to manipulate behavior, but it was never successful in deterring behavior, actions, nor did it create social conformity. It just created fear.

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    Re: Boston bomber Tsarnaev sentenced to death for 2013 attack

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Perhaps for some it will but the reality is that closure has to come from within yourself.

    I do find it interesting reading the different arguments put forth relating to the Death Penalty but it's not something I have to worry about here. The death penalty was abolished forever in Australia after Federal Parliament passed laws ensuring it could never be reinstated 2 years ago. The last time the death penalty was used was in 1967, many years before i was even born.

    My personal opinion only (I get others will see it differently) is that the life of the person that killed someone I love is not considered an equal trade for my loved one, nor will it ever be. Sentencing the offender to death is not going to automatically square things up and it won't bring closure or acceptance to the reality that they are gone and the family is broken. That has to come from within.
    I agree with this. I also think that attending the execution of the person who killed a loved one, requires a lot of strength I cannot comprehend. The fact that you are going to look at the perpetuator again, is going to bring back memories. It would be very difficult, and sitting in a room to watch somebody die would add another complicated layer to the healing process.

    I realize that not everybody heals the same, but I cannot imagine that would make me feel better. I think the whole process is kind of morbid. I also have doubts that the death of the perpetuator would automatically bring closure, and I say that based on things I have experienced. I have been able to heal and find closure after a crime and death was not involved.

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    Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev sentenced to death despite appeals for mercy

    I don't believe in the death penalty, but I have a difficult time building up a head of steam over it in cases of mass murder. As a firefighter who helped the victims said, "Tsarnaev wanted to go to hell, and he’s going to get there early."

    BOSTON — Two years after the horrific bombing of this city’s famed marathon, a federal jury on Friday sentenced to death one of the young men responsible for the attack, turning away appeals for mercy from his attorneys and even some victims.

    The jury of seven women and five men rendered its decision after deliberating for more than 14 hours. As the verdict was read, the bomber, 21-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, displayed no sign of emotion.
    The outcome was a victory for prosecutors, who said the former college student worked in tandem with his older brother and carried out the attack in a “heinous, cruel and depraved manner.” Jurors rejected arguments that Tsarnaev had fallen under the sway of his brother, Tamerlan, and was remorseful over the suffering he caused.
    Tsarnaev will be transferred to a federal prison, where he will remain until he is put to death by lethal injection. His attorneys did not comment after the verdict, but they are expected to appeal the sentence.
    Boston Marathon bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev sentenced to death despite appeals for mercy - The Washington Post

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    Re: Boston bomber Tsarnaev sentenced to death for 2013 attack

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Ever hear of appeals?
    Ever hear of people cleared of sentences after sitting on Death row for 20 or 30 years after they should have been executed according to your belief.
    Guess not.
    Cloistered world you reside in.
    Perhaps you should re-read what I posted with the aid of a dictionary.
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    Of course the third world dregs are breeding like rabbits.

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    Re: Boston bomber Tsarnaev sentenced to death for 2013 attack

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    No, you quite literally do not. He is still a human being in every way. Dehumanizing him only helps people rationalize their support for the death penalty. It's much easier to pretend you're endorsing the death of someone who's inhuman than it is to acknowledge that you're killing someone who is as much of a human being as you are.
    Sorry but that is your opinion and mine is different. If you intentionally kill a child then you lose that right to be considered a human. You rob him or her that chance to experience that wonder of growing up and learning about life. And then you go off to a grocery store to buy some milk for yourself.

    No, he is no longer a member of the human race.

    As John Prine put it best:

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    Though they walk like we do
    They live and they breathe
    Just to turn the old screw
    They screw you when you're sleeping
    They try to screw you blind
    Some humans ain't human
    Some people ain't kind

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    Re: Boston bomber Tsarnaev sentenced to death for 2013 attack

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    In the United States, where dangerous criminals can be safely locked up, the death penalty serves no other purpose but revenge. People advocate it to feel better - to give people what they think they "deserve". They're sentencing people to death based on subjective notions of morality. That, from my perspective, is a very sick way to use our justice system.
    The terrorists in GITMO were safely locked up. And then they were released. And now several of them are back to killing us.

    I'm generally against the death penalty, but it's not accurate to claim that it serves no purpose. It serves the purpose of being sure that such people won't do such things again in the future.

    Many times I've been assured that atheists and other freethinkers are all in agreement that murder and deadly assault are wrong even if they don't have a God to tell them it's wrong. So where the **** do you get this "subjective notions of morality" bull****?

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