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    Re: ABC’s Stephanopoulos gave $75G to Clinton Foundation without disclosing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by MickeyW View Post
    And all of them operational long before the Clinton's set up their ...a.....Foundation to funnel money.



    Ditto!



    Yep!



    I've been reading in the Washington Post and elsewhere how Obama is a bit frustrated that when he goes to Africa for a 'see-how-concerned-and-caring-I-am-about-you tour', it isn't Carter or Clinton and it certainly isn't Obama that folks there admire, but it is George W. Bush. Bill Clinton toots his horn very loudly and makes grandiose claims about his concern for AIDS on the Clinton Foundation website, but it is President Bush who gets most of the credit for measurable advances made against AIDS. And those people also know that since he left office, George and Laura, with little or no fanfare, have made regular trips to Africa to do hands on work with the people there. That is genuine concern for people with AIDS.

    Alternately, even as President Obama has advocated huge outlays in 'stimulus spending' with little to show as results for all that spending, he has slashed a huge percentage of the AIDs funding for Africa. And, by implication, blames that on the Republicans.
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    Re: ABC’s Stephanopoulos gave $75G to Clinton Foundation without disclosing it...

    ssnufalufagus is just as crooked as Killary.

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    Re: ABC’s Stephanopoulos gave $75G to Clinton Foundation without disclosing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I've been reading in the Washington Post and elsewhere how Obama is a bit frustrated that when he goes to Africa for a 'see-how-concerned-and-caring-I-am-about-you tour', it isn't Carter or Clinton and it certainly isn't Obama that folks there admire, but it is George W. Bush. Bill Clinton toots his horn very loudly and makes grandiose claims about his concern for AIDS on the Clinton Foundation website, but it is President Bush who gets most of the credit for measurable advances made against AIDS. And those people also know that since he left office, George and Laura, with little or no fanfare, have made regular trips to Africa to do hands on work with the people there. That is genuine concern for people with AIDS.

    Alternately, even as President Obama has advocated huge outlays in 'stimulus spending' with little to show as results for all that spending, he has slashed a huge percentage of the AIDs funding for Africa. And, by implication, blames that on the Republicans.
    That is an issue that Bush gets high marks for. Pity that the partisan left won't give credit where credits due. But then, we see the same in reverse too!
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    Re: ABC’s Stephanopoulos gave $75G to Clinton Foundation without disclosing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Maybe the Clinton's helped him secure his job at ABC, and he owed them something.
    No doubt.

    But I would have thought they would rather have him help them on TV (as subtley as possible) rather then give them some money which they do not need.

    Maybe they wanted both from him.

    Ahhhhhh American politics...where honor goes to die.

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    Re: ABC’s Stephanopoulos gave $75G to Clinton Foundation without disclosing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That is an issue that Bush gets high marks for. Pity that the partisan left won't give credit where credits due. But then, we see the same in reverse too!
    President Bush was pretty inept or incompetent in some ways, pretty good in some ways, and I rate him pretty mediocre over all. He absolutely was no conservative as he used big government to address almost every issue or problem. I railed against his environmental, immigration, energy, entitlement, and education policies. He was helpless to stop runaway spending by a self-serving Congress and, like most, I was frustrated at his often ill advised and badly thought out prosecution of the war in Iraq.

    But despite all that, I have never wavered in my belief that he was and is a really good guy with all the right motives and with his heart in the right place. So much of his personal efforts to make lives better or more bearable was done intentionally out of the lime light and without media coverage. You don't hear much about Clinton or Obama going out of their way, without intentional publicity, to do anything for anybody. Bush did and does that a lot. And my hat is off to him for that.

    But if George Stephanopoulos was concerned bout AIDS, he wouldn't have given that money to the Clintons. It would have given it to the Bushes or one of the many organizations working hands on to fight AIDS. And it really insults my intelligence, and I imagine all of yours, that he thinks we are all too dumb to figure that out.
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    Re: ABC’s Stephanopoulos gave $75G to Clinton Foundation without disclosing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    No doubt.

    But I would have thought they would rather have him help them on TV (as subtley as possible) rather then give them some money which they do not need.

    Maybe they wanted both from him.

    Ahhhhhh American politics...where honor goes to die.
    I have to say that I don't watch his show, but assumed that when possible he would be helping them that way, no?
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    Re: ABC’s Stephanopoulos gave $75G to Clinton Foundation without disclosing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    President Bush was pretty inept or incompetent in some ways, pretty good in some ways, and I rate him pretty mediocre over all. He absolutely was no conservative as he used big government to address almost every issue or problem. I railed against his environmental, immigration, energy, entitlement, and education policies. He was helpless to stop runaway spending by a self-serving Congress and, like most, I was frustrated at his often ill advised and badly thought out prosecution of the war in Iraq.

    But despite all that, I have never wavered in my belief that he was and is a really good guy with all the right motives and with his heart in the right place. So much of his personal efforts to make lives better or more bearable was done intentionally out of the lime light and without media coverage. You don't hear much about Clinton or Obama going out of their way, without intentional publicity, to do anything for anybody. Bush did and does that a lot. And my hat is off to him for that.

    But if George Stephanopoulos was concerned bout AIDS, he wouldn't have given that money to the Clintons. It would have given it to the Bushes or one of the many organizations working hands on to fight AIDS. And it really insults my intelligence, and I imagine all of yours, that he thinks we are all too dumb to figure that out.
    Ok, but my point was that Bush should be acknowledge for that which he did that's good, by the left, but hard core partisans won't do that, as the hard core partisan right won't do for Obama. Nobody's right all the time, but more importantly, nobody's wrong all the time. For example, the fringe right that loves the fact that the US violated international law and Pakistanis sovereign borders to get OBL, they refuse to give Obama any credit for the mission, minimize and marginalize him on it. Though the "decider" received all the credit from them on "mission accomplished"
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    Re: ABC’s Stephanopoulos gave $75G to Clinton Foundation without disclosing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Ok, but my point was that Bush should be acknowledge for that which he did that's good, by the left, but hard core partisans won't do that, as the hard core partisan right won't do for Obama. Nobody's right all the time, but more importantly, nobody's wrong all the time. For example, the fringe right that loves the fact that the US violated international law and Pakistanis sovereign borders to get OBL, they refuse to give Obama any credit for the mission, minimize and marginalize him on it. Though the "decider" received all the credit from them on "mission accomplished"
    But Obama didn't get OBL. The Navy Seals did. Obama gets credit for authorizing the mission, yes. But you can surely see how some don't think it makes him look good to then take credit for getting Bin Laden. Had he given the Seals all the applause and credit, he would have looked really good, and would have been properly acknowledged by both the left and right. He didn't and hasn't done that. And that is primarily the difference between him and a G W Bush. President Bush didn't take personal credit for much of anything. The closest he came to it was with a lot of 'we', but there was very little "I".

    But I do acknowledge what you are saying. There are those who would criticize President Obama or President Bush for simply getting out of bed and saying good morning on any given day. Those won't acknowledge that the focus of their criticism ever did anything right.

    So are we doing the same to George Stephanopoulus? I don't think so. In this matter the criticism is legitimate and so far as I see from most members, not exaggerated.
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    Re: ABC’s Stephanopoulos gave $75G to Clinton Foundation without disclosing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I have to say that I don't watch his show, but assumed that when possible he would be helping them that way, no?
    Same here, I don't watch his show but assumed he was doing as you describe.

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    Re: ABC’s Stephanopoulos gave $75G to Clinton Foundation without disclosing it...

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But Obama didn't get OBL. The Navy Seals did. Obama gets credit for authorizing the mission, yes. But you can surely see how some don't think it makes him look good to then take credit for getting Bin Laden. Had he given the Seals all the applause and credit, he would have looked really good, and would have been properly acknowledged by both the left and right. He didn't and hasn't done that. And that is primarily the difference between him and a G W Bush. President Bush didn't take personal credit for much of anything. The closest he came to it was with a lot of 'we', but there was very little "I".

    But I do acknowledge what you are saying. There are those who would criticize President Obama or President Bush for simply getting out of bed and saying good morning on any given day. Those won't acknowledge that the focus of their criticism ever did anything right.

    So are we doing the same to George Stephanopoulus? I don't think so. In this matter the criticism is legitimate and so far as I see from most members, not exaggerated.


    If you'll look over my post which you quoted again, you'll see that I said the US, not Obama got OBL. I then pointed out that the right won't give him any credit, at all for the mission.

    To the bolded. Yes, legitimate criticism. And I'm sure more of the same thing could be found, benefitting people of both political persuasion. Press secretaries are lifer loyalists. Occasionally you'll get one with some dignity, like Scott McClellan.
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