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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I'm glad there are good people in the world to counter those that lack empathy and vision.
    And what will those "good people" do?

    Steal from some to give to others? Is that good?

    Are you a libertarian or a socialist?
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Not true. If you have intellect and you can turn that into a skill then you won't die poor.

    The idea of capitalism is that the trash gets left behind while the smart move on.
    Liberals hate meritocracy and avoid acknowledging its merits like the plague. In Liberaland, the successful entrepreneurial types pay the failures and losers to lie around and pretend to be artists...and burger flippers make $35K per year, plus full benefits.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I'm glad there are good people in the world to counter those that lack empathy and vision. Nobody that works full time should have to live in poverty in this country. There is too much wealth and too many resources wrongly distributed to justify such a thing. It doesn't have to be that way so it shouldn't be that way.
    You edited this so I'll quote it again.

    That is false. That sounds like socialism, not libertarianism.

    I've seen so many people who could have taken education a little more seriously and go to college OR if they don't have the intellectual capacity then go to trade school to get a skill and become middle class.

    There is very little reason to not get a skill and yet poor people will always rationalize that the system is broken. That is false.

    99/100 times a poor person is poor because of the choices THEY made. And even when they're poor, they go and buy Jordan's even though they can't feed their kid. I've seen it and it makes me wonder.

    Poverty in the United states is a result of your own actions, not anyone else's.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    And what will those "good people" do?

    Steal from some to give to others? Is that good?

    Are you a libertarian or a socialist?
    I think caring for people is more important than having more military than the rest of the world combined. If taxes were distributed reasonably we could have lower taxes across the board. If corporations had to pay people living wages instead of forcing the government to pick up the tab to keep people off the street it would lower taxes. If people with less had more it would stimulate the economy because they would actually spend their money and put it back into the economy. I believe in elements of socialism as well as libertarianism. Your view of libertarianism is ignorant because you're focused on the wrong problems.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I delight in the irony.
    no irony there.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Liberals hate meritocracy and avoid acknowledging its merits like the plague. In Liberaland, the successful entrepreneurial types pay the failures and losers to lie around and pretend to be artists...and burger flippers make $35K per year, plus full benefits.
    Yeah it's absolute bull****.

    Let me give one example.

    My brother is a fuucking math genius. He got into the navy nuclear program.

    1 he hated it

    2 he was thinking of getting out of it

    3 he hit his wife and is now very likely to drop out

    4 if he gets the boot, he will most likely become poor since he gave up his chance at the most prestigious nuclear program in the entire ****ing world and doesn't have a college degree

    What's funny is that he had the nerve to text my mother to see if she could take him in.

    Wastrels are poor because they choose to be.

    Smart people can go to college. Even intellectually mediocre people can go to a trade school for plumbing or carpeting or whatever to get a basic skill. Outside of few circumstances (mental retardation?), poverty is a CHOICE.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I think caring for people is more important than having more military than the rest of the world combined.
    yet a strong military is key to a strong nation. We learned that early on in our history. that in order to be a world power you have to have a world class military.

    If taxes were distributed reasonably we could have lower taxes across the board.
    proof or evidence.

    If corporations had to pay people living wages instead of forcing the government to pick up the tab to keep people off the street it would lowaer taxes.
    Most corporations do pay a living wage. now if you are referring to being a burger flipper or a cashier or something like that then well your pay is greatly reduced.
    why? the skill to do that job is well not really all that difficult. in fact it is so easy that they are replacing cashiers will automatic checkouts.
    also define a living wage. lets put a hard number to it not some blathering nonsense that I get all the time.

    I have yet to see anyone justify why a bag boy should make 15 dollars an hour. maybe you can justify it but most businesses can't.
    in fact a huge liberal comic book owner in CA that was all for minimum wage hikes now all of a sudden doesn't know how he is going to keep his business open.

    with the number of employee's he has he needs an additional 80k dollars a year in income to pay them. he can't increase the price of his good because their price
    is printed on the books themselves. it appears that he will be closing his comic book shop since he can't afford the pay increase.

    San Francisco $15 Minimum Wage Hike Forces Comic Book Shop to Come Up with Extra $80,000 a Year | Illinois Mirror

    there is another book store that has already closed.

    If people with less had more it would stimulate the economy because they would actually spend their money and put it back into the economy. Your view of libertarianism is ignorant because you're focused on the wrong problems.
    If people with less want more than they have to work for it to get there. it takes skill knowledge and a education.
    you shouldn't be calling anyone's view ignorant given the comments you just made.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I think caring for people is more important than having more military than the rest of the world combined. If taxes were distributed reasonably we could have lower taxes across the board. If corporations had to pay people living wages instead of forcing the government to pick up the tab to keep people off the street it would lower taxes. If people with less had more it would stimulate the economy because they would actually spend their money and put it back into the economy. I believe in elements of socialism as well as libertarianism. Your view of libertarianism is ignorant because you're focused on the wrong problems.
    Your view of libertarianism is phony because you want people to have to pay for other people's entitlements.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    yet a strong military is key to a strong nation. We learned that early on in our history. that in order to be a world power you have to have a world class military.


    proof or evidence.


    Most corporations do pay a living wage. now if you are referring to being a burger flipper or a cashier or something like that then well your pay is greatly reduced.
    why? the skill to do that job is well not really all that difficult. in fact it is so easy that they are replacing cashiers will automatic checkouts.
    also define a living wage. lets put a hard number to it not some blathering nonsense that I get all the time.

    I have yet to see anyone justify why a bag boy should make 15 dollars an hour. maybe you can justify it but most businesses can't.
    in fact a huge liberal comic book owner in CA that was all for minimum wage hikes now all of a sudden doesn't know how he is going to keep his business open.

    with the number of employee's he has he needs an additional 80k dollars a year in income to pay them. he can't increase the price of his good because their price
    is printed on the books themselves. it appears that he will be closing his comic book shop since he can't afford the pay increase.

    San Francisco $15 Minimum Wage Hike Forces Comic Book Shop to Come Up with Extra $80,000 a Year | Illinois Mirror

    there is another book store that has already closed.



    If people with less want more than they have to work for it to get there. it takes skill knowledge and a education.
    you shouldn't be calling anyone's view ignorant given the comments you just made.
    You don't even have to be intellectual. A trade school can give you a rather solid skill that can get you to middle class so long as you're willing to get your hands a little dirty.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Your view of libertarianism is phony because you want people to have to pay for other people's entitlements.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

    My view of libertarianism is not phony just because it is not the same as your view of libertarianism. The most you could reasonably claim is that I am ignorant. Oh, and focusing on nitpicking my lean says volumes about the strength of your own position.
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