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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Economically speaking, yes, unintelligent people without a skill are trash. It gets even worse with automation.
    Not being economically significant does not make somebody economic trash. Trash implies complete uselessness and an absolute lack of worth. Using the word trash is more of a projection of how you feel about them methinks.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Not true. If you have intellect and you can turn that into a skill then you won't die poor.

    The idea of capitalism is that the trash gets left behind while the smart move on.
    That might have been true a few decades ago but it certainly isn't now

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    That might have been true a few decades ago but it certainly isn't now
    False, my dad was born poor and is most likely going to die rich. He wasn't born in the 50's or whatever.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Not being economically significant does not make somebody economic trash. Trash implies complete uselessness and an absolute lack of worth. Using the word trash is more of a projection of how you feel about them methinks.
    My bad, unskilled work is not economic trash, it's worth 7 bucks an hour.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    it's worth 7 bucks an hour.
    It's worth as little as we will allow corporations to pay for it. When people need jobs more than businesses need employees they can pray on the desperation of the less fortunate. Nobody in the United States that works 40 hours a week should be living in poverty.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    It's worth as little as we will allow corporations to pay for it. When people need jobs more than businesses need employees they can pray on the desperation of the less fortunate. Nobody in the United States that works 40 hours a week should be living in poverty.
    False.

    Value of work = demand for labor against supply of labor

    High supply and low demand (unskilled work) = low wage

    Low supply and high demand (generally skilled work) = high wage

    Hell...

    Low supply and low demand (doesn't matter if you have a skill, no one wants it) = low wage

    Wages are determined by that and that alone. And unskilled work ALWAYS has a high supply and (due to living in the modern era) low demand, so therefor, even if you work 40 hours an week, if your work is unskilled and anyone can replace you, then your wage is as low as the company can legally go.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    if your work is unskilled and anyone can replace you, then your wage is as low as the company can legally go.
    Indeed.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Indeed.
    Indeed, you will then live in poverty while working 40 hours and you will ****ing deal with it and you deserve it.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Indeed, you will then live in poverty while working 40 hours and you will ****ing deal with it and you deserve it.
    I'm glad there are good people in the world to counter those that lack empathy and vision. Nobody that works full time should have to live in poverty in this country. There is too much wealth and too many resources wrongly distributed to justify such a thing. It doesn't have to be that way so it shouldn't be that way.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Oil wins every time.

    Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn | Environment | The Guardian

    "Environmental groups and experts hit out at the US government on Tuesday following its announcement that the Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell would be allowed to resume offshore exploration and drilling in the Arctic’s American waters. Unforgiving conditions in the Arctic’s icy waters not only make the chances of a spill likely, the complete lack of infrastructure in place to deal with a potential disaster means the consequences of the move could be calamitous, environmental activists and experts say.

    According to a study published in February by the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, the same regulatory governmental agency that yesterday issued its approval of Shell’s Chukchi Sea exploration plan, the chances of one or more oil spills occurring as a result of drilling in the Arctic over the next 77 years are 75%. In open water or broken ice, the same study says that between 44% and 62% of crude oil resulting from a spill would stay put – neither dispersing nor evaporating – after 30 days. “Yesterday’s announcement is inconsistent with the federal government’s commitment for stewardship of the Arctic Ocean, it is inconsistent with President Obama’s commitment to combat climate change, and it is a clear prioritization of Shell’s needs ahead of the protection of one of our most important natural resources,” said Michael LeVine, Oceana’s Pacific senior counsel."
    No one lives up there. Who cares if a little oil spills?

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