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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    In my view instead of squandering even more resources on this nonsense we should use them to make our fossil fuel plants much cleaner and more efficient
    I would support an effort to make fossil fuels more clean and efficient. Good luck getting that one passed by congress, though.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You live in a fantasy world, a world where up is down and left is right. Petroleum set free people, and Reagan's boom is a sharp contrast to Obama's failures.

    Renewables cannot replace oil, no matter how hard you cross your fingers, close your eyes and wish it were otherwise.
    I have to disagree, but only a little.
    Man made hydrocarbon fuels can, and will likely replace organic fuel products.
    The main reason is they offer several things that leverage and improve on all the alternative
    energy sources, high density storage.
    Solar and wind are ok, but without storage, they are almost just a novelty.
    Add in hydrocarbon fuel as a storage mechanism, and you have something worth talking about.
    It can be carbon neutral, to make the greens happy.
    The existing refineries can make their own feedstock, and distribute through existing infrastructure.
    The finished product is chemically identical to fuels from organic oil. (maybe a bit cleaner).
    The cost, well the energy has to come from somewhere, we will need to rewrite the rules for surplus
    solar and wind energy, no more net metering. A unit of energy will need to have the same value regardless
    of source.
    Let's say the wholesale electric price is $60. per Mwh,
    Electricity Monthly Update
    one Mwh would make about 18 gallons of diesel at a 70% efficiency.
    That would make the diesel $3.33 per gallon.
    This may sound high, but represents a ceiling for oil prices.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I would support an effort to make fossil fuels more clean and efficient. Good luck getting that one passed by congress, though.
    Apparently the gas produced in the new fracking process has only around 20% of the toxicity of other types of fossil fuels. Its cheaper to extract too so thats surely all good

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Apparently the gas produced in the new fracking process has only around 20% of the toxicity of other types of fossil fuels. Its cheaper to extract too so thats surely all good
    Yeah, no problem. Those whining locals just need to learn to drink flammable water.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Hmmm I disagree with you there. The US has the lowest levels of upward social mobility of any developed country. The odds are that in the US if you are born poor you will die poor whatever your level of intellect sadly. This is a state of affairs that has gotten progressively worse with the passing of decades
    Not true. If you have intellect and you can turn that into a skill then you won't die poor.

    The idea of capitalism is that the trash gets left behind while the smart move on.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Yeah, no problem. Those whining locals just need to learn to drink flammable water.
    That video was a hoax...
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    The idea of capitalism is that the trash gets left behind while the smart move on.
    I didn't realize disadvantaged and possibly unintelligent people were trash.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    That video was a hoax...
    There is a multitude of videos. Also, source?

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I didn't realize disadvantaged and possibly unintelligent people were trash.
    Economically speaking, yes, unintelligent people without a skill are trash. It gets even worse with automation.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Yeah, no problem. Those whining locals just need to learn to drink flammable water.
    This sort of stuff gets greatly oversold frankly. Its already reduced overall energy costs in the US by around 25 % so the upside for millions is self evident

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