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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    In regards to safety and environmental protection, they do just enough to satisfy their insurers.
    This implies that the what insurers insist on is equal to or less than current safety and environmental protection regulations. Its a simple fact that they're not. The vetting by insurers pale in comparison. Most require the companies to go above and beyond regulatory requirements.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The oil companies literally write many of the regulations that regulate their industry. In any given year, the oil industry will outspend environmental groups by more than 100 to 1 in lobbying congress. In regards to safety and environmental protection, they do just enough to satisfy their insurers.
    Drilling in the Arctic Ocean is not a matter of enough regulation, it's a simple case that given time there will be a major spill. And even a relatvely small one is a total disaster.

    I spent some time on a 4-wheel ATV today cruising the Arctic Ocean beach. It's one of the more pleasant experiences I've managed to have; and I spend as much time as I can there in the summer.

    All I could see looking North, was ice, and that will be true for another month. The significance is that oil and ice do not get along! We simply do not have any way of cleaning up oil in the presence of ice. None. Zilch. Can't be done.

    A polar bear, on the Arctic Ocean ice, in early June of 2012. One oil spill, and he's gone. We can't get the oil out of the water or the ice... or off of a live polar bear either!


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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Floyd Davidson View Post
    Drilling in the Arctic Ocean is not a matter of enough regulation, it's a simple case that given time there will be a major spill. And even a relatvely small one is a total disaster.

    I spent some time on a 4-wheel ATV today cruising the Arctic Ocean beach. It's one of the more pleasant experiences I've managed to have; and I spend as much time as I can there in the summer.

    All I could see looking North, was ice, and that will be true for another month. The significance is that oil and ice do not get along! We simply do not have any way of cleaning up oil in the presence of ice. None. Zilch. Can't be done.

    A polar bear, on the Arctic Ocean ice, in early June of 2012. One oil spill, and he's gone. We can't get the oil out of the water or the ice... or off of a live polar bear either!

    As long as human beings exist there will be accidents. Your solution is that we all commit collective suicide?

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    As long as human beings exist there will be accidents. Your solution is that we all commit collective suicide?
    First, there are activities that we humans don't engage in because of the litigating risks, other options are found. And two, until we have adequate safe guards and enforcement in place, the big oil companies have proven insufficient in policing themselves, the bottom line always speaks the loudest, and third, not allowing Shell to drill there would not equate to human suicide.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoVlaming View Post
    As long as human beings exist there will be accidents. Your solution is that we all commit collective suicide?
    My solution is to avoid suicidal acts. Drilling in the Arctic Ocean is like putting just one round in your revolver and expecting the gun to never go off as you repeatly hold it to your head and pull the trigger without even spinning the cylinder! It is not a question of if there will be a serious problem, just a matter of how soon.

    Incidentaly, we don't call those events "accidents"... purposeful idiocy doesn't make it an accident.

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