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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

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    I think people are greatly underestimating the amount of influence Bernie wields among the youth.
    Well the old folks own the ballot box generally and if they start actually paying attention to the policies and see what he pushes and works for with regards to social security and medicaid and such, he could have them in his corner as well.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

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    Him and Warren pushing the way is better than the Clinton DLC wing pushing it to the right. Seems like the swing to the left is whats happening as of late. Sure has Hillary going to the left these days.
    And anybody that falls for Hillary's bull****, deserves her I suppose. She's in the center at best, and the hawk that she is puts her a smidgen right of center. Btw, I added a question to that other post for you apparently after you quoted it.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

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    Well yes, IF that could actually happen. Have you ever listened to "brunch with Bernie Sanders" on Thom Hartman's show?
    Oh hell yeah. I can't catch it all the time but I do parts some times when I go to lunch. I used to be able to listen much more in the past. Not so much any more.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    How is that taking away from peoples' choices? We have gasoline cars today that flood the market. I don't see any other type of car. So if you have a problem with having green energy transportation consume the markets, then you have the same issue with gasoline cars. Only way to be consistent. So I guess cars are a form of coercion?
    If the only products that are sold on the market are electric cars, maglev, fuel cell, what have you, then those products would compete in the market.
    The only way to to make the only products sold in the market green, is to regulate the others out of existence.
    That is expressly taking away peoples choices!

    You are right, that is a problem. I know they can make space planes using compressed air air planes and are then laser ignited. But that's for like providing a payload to the ISS.
    This is Science fiction, and not available yet.

    With ships you could put your payload under a sheet of solar cells. All equipment and payload have solar cells on top of them. Once the circuit is complete the pumping energy from the solar panels will power the engines. The key is area. The more area you got the more electricity that will be generated. Something to be explored at least.
    Let's look at the math,
    Emma Maersk - Container vessel
    1300 feet long, by 183 feet wide. say 237,000 sq feet.
    80,080 kW engine
    SolarWorld SW 315 Pro XL
    315 watt panel is 21 sq feet
    237,000/21=11285 panels *315 watts=3,554,775 watts= 3,555kW
    So 3,555 Kw available, 80,080 needed!


    Those big ass tractors man I have no idea. Which makes me nervous. I know everyone will say "but we have this many years left," but seriously, how are we going to power our current transportation? Are we going to have to redesign the process of doing things?
    I am not sure you have been listening, we can make our own carbon neutral hydrocarbon fuels.
    I know space X has a kickin new train. There were ideas for maglev trains. Maglev trains have a huge potential with solar energy. Just power the magnets and off you go.
    I've seen ideas of totally automating the transportation system, at least for citizens. Everything is powered by sun, and no one would own a car. The units are public.
    Again taking away peoples freedom to choose how they want to live!

    But you have a very good point. How are we going to supply energy to our great huge forms of transportation? We don't have hydrocarbons forever. Apparently you can make flammable hydrocarbons, but I do hope we move past that to something less intrusive to the environment. Time will tell.

    PS - Fuell cells?
    Because we can make our own hydrocarbon fuels, we do have them forever, think of them as nature's
    almost perfect energy storage container.
    Fuel cells have the best potential because they are not heat engines,
    (I.E. they do not have to follow Carnot's rules.). The only problem with fuels cells is hydrogen
    is difficult to carry around, and the infrastructure is almost non existent.
    An interim option would be to run the fuel cells with hydrogen evolved from conventional fuels.
    Diesel to Hydrogen Fuel Processor | Power + Energy
    The trick is to allow the market, and peoples choices a path to evolve.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    There is no doubt in my mind that drilling for oil in the Arctic Ocean can be done safely with sufficient regulation. We are a clever species we can do it. The problem is the same companies that want to drill there are the same companies that spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year bribing congress to make sure those regulations are as watered down as possible.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    There is no doubt in my mind that drilling for oil in the Arctic Ocean can be done safely with sufficient regulation. We are a clever species we can do it. The problem is the same companies that want to drill there are the same companies that spend hundreds of millions of dollars every year bribing congress to make sure those regulations are as watered down as possible.
    Seems to be the way of the world. Much the same happens when it comes to food regs. The FDA is in the back pocket of the big producers.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Seems to be the way of the world. Much the same happens when it comes to food regs. The FDA is in the back pocket of the big producers.
    The oil companies literally write many of the regulations that regulate their industry. In any given year, the oil industry will outspend environmental groups by more than 100 to 1 in lobbying congress. In regards to safety and environmental protection, they do just enough to satisfy their insurers.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The oil companies literally write many of the regulations that regulate their industry. In any given year, the oil industry will outspend environmental groups by more than 100 to 1 in lobbying congress. In regards to safety and environmental protection, they do just enough to satisfy their insurers.
    The food people are worse. They just fly much lower under the radar.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The oil companies literally write many of the regulations that regulate their industry. In any given year, the oil industry will outspend environmental groups by more than 100 to 1 in lobbying congress. In regards to safety and environmental protection, they do just enough to satisfy their insurers.
    Problem is, Obama's not living up to his campaign promises.

    Obama's lobbyist rule: Promise Broken | PolitiFact
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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