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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    If the only products that are sold on the market are electric cars, maglev, fuel cell, what have you, then those products would compete in the market. Totally green transportation is in the market. Which means there will be competition, and prices will stabilize.
    Taking away peoples choices is not freedom, but coercion, it is actually a poor form of encouragement.
    As I have already discussed, human transport is not really the issue, but tractors, ships and jets.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Taking away peoples choices is not freedom, but coercion, it is actually a poor form of encouragement.
    As I have already discussed, human transport is not really the issue, but tractors, ships and jets.
    How is that taking away from peoples' choices? We have gasoline cars today that flood the market. I don't see any other type of car. So if you have a problem with having green energy transportation consume the markets, then you have the same issue with gasoline cars. Only way to be consistent. So I guess cars are a form of coercion?

    You are right, that is a problem. I know they can make space planes using compressed air air planes and are then laser ignited. But that's for like providing a payload to the ISS.

    With ships you could put your payload under a sheet of solar cells. All equipment and payload have solar cells on top of them. Once the circuit is complete the pumping energy from the solar panels will power the engines. The key is area. The more area you got the more electricity that will be generated. Something to be explored at least.

    Those big ass tractors man I have no idea. Which makes me nervous. I know everyone will say "but we have this many years left," but seriously, how are we going to power our current transportation? Are we going to have to redesign the process of doing things?

    I know space X has a kickin new train. There were ideas for maglev trains. Maglev trains have a huge potential with solar energy. Just power the magnets and off you go.
    I've seen ideas of totally automating the transportation system, at least for citizens. Everything is powered by sun, and no one would own a car. The units are public.

    But you have a very good point. How are we going to supply energy to our great huge forms of transportation? We don't have hydrocarbons forever. Apparently you can make flammable hydrocarbons, but I do hope we move past that to something less intrusive to the environment. Time will tell.

    PS - Fuell cells?
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

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    Sure, but he isn't exactly representative of his party, is he?
    Well I'm hoping that he will be.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not at all, that's the point. I wish he was running independent.
    Why? He hasn't lost his policies and he has the machine working for him rather than against him.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    **** oil. Lets get off of it and let Russia and China fight over the middle east.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Why? He hasn't lost his policies and he has the machine working for him rather than against him.
    I like him, I don't much like either of the dinosaurs.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I like him, I don't much like either of the dinosaurs.
    Well I'm all for the Dems becoming more like him so if he and Elizabeth Warren start garnering stronger followings, I think we can have that.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Well I'm all for the Dems becoming more like him so if he and Elizabeth Warren start garnering stronger followings, I think we can have that.
    Well yes, IF that could actually happen. Have you ever listened to "brunch with Bernie Sanders" on Thom Hartman's show?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well yes, IF that could actually happen.
    Him and Warren pushing the way is better than the Clinton DLC wing pushing it to the right. Seems like the swing to the left is whats happening as of late. Sure has Hillary going to the left these days.
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    The Supreme Court can't interpret The Constitution. They don't have that power.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    I think people are greatly underestimating the amount of influence Bernie wields among the youth.

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