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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    100 billion can easily be printed.

    The only reason why we don't have green energy is because of the lobby and the jobs lost. Otherwise we could turn completely green. .
    The answer is SO SIMPLE! Just print money. That worked out very well in the Weimar Republic, didn't it. And turning completely green! Sure, with all that newfound, printed money. Obama gave hundreds of millions of it his cronies at Solyndra, which promptly went bankrupt.

    Green energy is several times more expensive than other kinds, and in any case, won't fly aircraft or drive trucks. I love to see these Leftists flying past me on the freeway in their Prius'. Terrific gas mileage, until you're doing 80 MPH.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

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    That's fantastic!
    Fine. Live without heat for a year and report back to us letting us know how that went.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Father View Post
    The answer is SO SIMPLE! Just print money. That worked out very well in the Weimar Republic, didn't it. And turning completely green! Sure, with all that newfound, printed money. Obama gave hundreds of millions of it his cronies at Solyndra, which promptly went bankrupt.

    Green energy is several times more expensive than other kinds, and in any case, won't fly aircraft or drive trucks. I love to see these Leftists flying past me on the freeway in their Prius'. Terrific gas mileage, until you're doing 80 MPH.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. I would read up on MMT.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    What you are missing is that it is not ideological barriers blocking people from using alternative energies, it is a financial barrier.
    People will use whatever they see as in their own best interest, currently they have trouble seeing how alternatives benefit their financial interest.
    Home photovoltaic solar is a much better deal than it used to be, but still requires more vision than the average consumer possesses.
    I see the solution as excess solar and wind energy stored as man made hydrocarbon fuels, distributed through existing channels.
    Some type of energy credit could be worked out, that would encourage people to install extra capacity of solar.
    When enough people have solar, we will need the variable load of the refineries making the fuel to take the surplus.
    And I'm saying with how the current economy works there is no financial barrier.
    "Don't care. I don't care about polar bears, and I don't care about people who think our policies should be dictated by the effects on polar bears. Polar bears are basically Ice Monsters. Like that thing in the second Star Wars movie. **** em. And anything with more than four legs." -Deuce

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    And I'm saying with how the current economy works there is no financial barrier.
    If we want people to use alternative energy, alternative energy must be cheaper than the other
    choices. How can this happen?
    First the replacement should not require people to acquire a new vehicle or equipment.
    Second the replacement should be compatible with existing infrastructure.
    Third the replacement needs to be less expensive than the alternative. (naturally, not through taxation)
    Organic oil is low right now, but the overall trend is up, oil is getting more difficult and expensive to extract.
    The price of photovoltaic solar is trending down.
    Photovoltaic solar can only grow if we fix the earlier incentive rules.
    The net metering, and fixed price rules for surplus solar power, helped early adopters.
    Those same rules are now discouraging utilities from allowing grid tied systems.
    There needs to be a balance where all parties benefit.
    As solar grows, there will be a problem of what to do with the wildly swinging supply.
    Storing all that surplus as fuel becomes an elegant solution.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    If we want people to use alternative energy, alternative energy must be cheaper than the other
    choices. How can this happen?
    First the replacement should not require people to acquire a new vehicle or equipment.
    Second the replacement should be compatible with existing infrastructure.
    Third the replacement needs to be less expensive than the alternative. (naturally, not through taxation)
    Organic oil is low right now, but the overall trend is up, oil is getting more difficult and expensive to extract.
    The price of photovoltaic solar is trending down.
    Photovoltaic solar can only grow if we fix the earlier incentive rules.
    The net metering, and fixed price rules for surplus solar power, helped early adopters.
    Those same rules are now discouraging utilities from allowing grid tied systems.
    There needs to be a balance where all parties benefit.
    As solar grows, there will be a problem of what to do with the wildly swinging supply.
    Storing all that surplus as fuel becomes an elegant solution.
    I think people would gladly pay more if there were zero emissions.
    "Don't care. I don't care about polar bears, and I don't care about people who think our policies should be dictated by the effects on polar bears. Polar bears are basically Ice Monsters. Like that thing in the second Star Wars movie. **** em. And anything with more than four legs." -Deuce

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I think people would gladly pay more if there were zero emissions.
    Some will, but that is the danger, that some person who believes they are helping the environment,
    are willing to pay more for a commodity. This artificially inflates the price and slows the adoption
    of the alternative by the majority of people who only choose on price.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about. I would read up on MMT.
    Your petty ad hominem attack is inappropriate and condescending.

    Anyone who pretends that the United States can simply "print money" without any dire consequences is
    undeserving of a response. Hyperinflations result, such as the Weimar Republic.

    Present some facts, rather than attacking me as utterly ignorant. That is shameful of you, and as weak as it gets for you to say.
    As weak as it gets.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Father View Post
    Your petty ad hominem attack is inappropriate and condescending.

    Anyone who pretends that the United States can simply "print money" without any dire consequences is
    undeserving of a response. Hyperinflations result, such as the Weimar Republic.

    Present some facts, rather than attacking me as utterly ignorant. That is shameful of you, and as weak as it gets for you to say.
    As weak as it gets.
    Read up on MMT. Cause you can, been doing it for years. Don't call me ignorant, you're the ignorant one not even knowing what I am talking about.
    "Don't care. I don't care about polar bears, and I don't care about people who think our policies should be dictated by the effects on polar bears. Polar bears are basically Ice Monsters. Like that thing in the second Star Wars movie. **** em. And anything with more than four legs." -Deuce

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Some will, but that is the danger, that some person who believes they are helping the environment,
    are willing to pay more for a commodity. This artificially inflates the price and slows the adoption
    of the alternative by the majority of people who only choose on price.
    If the only products that are sold on the market are electric cars, maglev, fuel cell, what have you, then those products would compete in the market. Totally green transportation is in the market. Which means there will be competition, and prices will stabilize.
    "Don't care. I don't care about polar bears, and I don't care about people who think our policies should be dictated by the effects on polar bears. Polar bears are basically Ice Monsters. Like that thing in the second Star Wars movie. **** em. And anything with more than four legs." -Deuce

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