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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Fossil fuels are the single greatest thing we Learned to use, in the age of carbon we lept from living in small wooden towns to industrial cities, virtually eliminated famine expanded science to levels never dreamt possible, and brought the poor to a standRd rivaling the upper class of the era before....
    There's no disputing the advantages of fossil fuels, and the advancements that it's contribution has made to humanity. There's also no disputing the toxicity of them, and the costs to human, animal and plant life. And, there's a bottom to that barrel of oil. Also, we have technologically moved beyond the need, but the fantastic profits made by so many because of it is an impediment to progress.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Never given a chance? You been to Indio, CA or Ellensberg, WA lately?
    I've seen those, as well as New Mexico, Texas Oklahoma and Nebraska. The point is big oil lobby has prevented Washington from pursuing them in a meaningful way, everything is token.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I don't dispute that, but the biggest profit companies in the world are oil. Quite naturally oil is against renewable. Renewables have never been given a fair chance and it's an uphill battle because of it. Don't worry flogger, oil will be around clogging things up as long as you need it to be.
    Like I said you seem to have greater issues with oil companies making profits than with the economic viability of the alternatives. If renewables really worked those same companies would be there in a flash

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Oil wins every time.

    Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn | Environment | The Guardian

    "Environmental groups and experts hit out at the US government on Tuesday following its announcement that the Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell would be allowed to resume offshore exploration and drilling in the Arctic’s American waters. Unforgiving conditions in the Arctic’s icy waters not only make the chances of a spill likely, the complete lack of infrastructure in place to deal with a potential disaster means the consequences of the move could be calamitous, environmental activists and experts say.

    According to a study published in February by the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, the same regulatory governmental agency that yesterday issued its approval of Shell’s Chukchi Sea exploration plan, the chances of one or more oil spills occurring as a result of drilling in the Arctic over the next 77 years are 75%. In open water or broken ice, the same study says that between 44% and 62% of crude oil resulting from a spill would stay put – neither dispersing nor evaporating – after 30 days. “Yesterday’s announcement is inconsistent with the federal government’s commitment for stewardship of the Arctic Ocean, it is inconsistent with President Obama’s commitment to combat climate change, and it is a clear prioritization of Shell’s needs ahead of the protection of one of our most important natural resources,” said Michael LeVine, Oceana’s Pacific senior counsel."
    These "experts" just can't get over the fact that all predictions they have made about oil and other energy sources have consistently proven to be completely wrong.

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    Like I said you seem to have greater issues with oil companies making profits than with the economic viability of the alternatives. If renewables really worked those same companies would be there in a flash
    But I said exactly the opposite, and pointed out to you that I've made good on my renewable investments, so no.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    But I said exactly the opposite,
    I seriously doubt you actually mean that given the tenor of the rest of your input here

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by flogger View Post
    I seriously doubt you actually mean that given the tenor of the rest of your input here
    My tenor is opposed to dirty fossil fuels, not people making money on their investments. Again flogger, as usual, talking with you is a big fat waste of time.
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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    My tenor is opposed to dirty fossil fuels, not people making money on their investments. Again flogger, as usual, talking with you is a big fat waste of time.
    But the new gas fracking technologies are much cleaner do you oppose those ? Instead of wasting billions on useless renewables making our existing fossil fueled generation cleaner and more efficient must be a more productive use of taxpayer funds than the fiscal black hole that renewable energy represents ?

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    Oil wins every time.

    Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn | Environment | The Guardian

    "Environmental groups and experts hit out at the US government on Tuesday following its announcement that the Anglo-Dutch oil giant Shell would be allowed to resume offshore exploration and drilling in the Arctic’s American waters. Unforgiving conditions in the Arctic’s icy waters not only make the chances of a spill likely, the complete lack of infrastructure in place to deal with a potential disaster means the consequences of the move could be calamitous, environmental activists and experts say.

    According to a study published in February by the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, the same regulatory governmental agency that yesterday issued its approval of Shell’s Chukchi Sea exploration plan, the chances of one or more oil spills occurring as a result of drilling in the Arctic over the next 77 years are 75%. In open water or broken ice, the same study says that between 44% and 62% of crude oil resulting from a spill would stay put – neither dispersing nor evaporating – after 30 days. “Yesterday’s announcement is inconsistent with the federal government’s commitment for stewardship of the Arctic Ocean, it is inconsistent with President Obama’s commitment to combat climate change, and it is a clear prioritization of Shell’s needs ahead of the protection of one of our most important natural resources,” said Michael LeVine, Oceana’s Pacific senior counsel."
    Truly tragic are the big oil poop-poopers. Are you aware your boy Obama signed on for this? Are you aware a portion of the water California uses for their crops comes from Chevron waste water and now California is looking to other oil companies to join in? Are you aware someone riding a bicycle will be killed to day? Are you aware someone will fall down and die today?

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    Re: Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn

    "Letting Shell drill in Arctic could lead to catastrophic oil spill, experts warn | Environment | The Guardian"

    Hard to imagine how it would be any more or less catastrophic than in the Gulf of Mexico.

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