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    Re: 10 members of Congress took trip secretly funded by foreign government

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Time for independents to act like it.
    It's times like this when I really miss Pero, because he kept us updated on what the polls were saying. He said it was a hobby, and he enjoyed doing it, but it sure sounded like a lot of work to me! :

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    Re: 10 members of Congress took trip secretly funded by foreign government

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    No it is not. What private business engages in to close deals is between those businesses and is entirely up to them assuming no illegal activity. You have every right to decide not to participate in that, it is your choice.

    However, the government is not a private business and should be subject to scrutiny on these shady activities as it could influence policy that affects us all. Like energy policy and/or foreign policy.

    The two are simply not the same.
    Culturally its exactly the same. Lobbyists wine and dine congressman to influence policy (decisions) in their favor. Vendors wine and dine a purchaser at a business to influence decisions by that purchaser. The only difference is the scale of it. Unfortunately, the vast majority of corruption is perfectly legal.
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    Re: 10 members of Congress took trip secretly funded by foreign government

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Culturally its exactly the same. Lobbyists wine and dine congressman to influence policy (decisions) in their favor. Vendors wine and dine a purchaser at a business to influence decisions by that purchaser. The only difference is the scale of it. Unfortunately, the vast majority of corruption is perfectly legal.
    The scale, and the fact that business that continue to make poor decisions tend to go away. Government, on the other hand, just keeps getting bigger and more expensive, and the people making poor decisions keep getting re elected.
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    Re: 10 members of Congress took trip secretly funded by foreign government

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It's times like this when I really miss Pero, because he kept us updated on what the polls were saying. He said it was a hobby, and he enjoyed doing it, but it sure sounded like a lot of work to me! :
    What happened to Pero??
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    Re: 10 members of Congress took trip secretly funded by foreign government

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The scale, and the fact that business that continue to make poor decisions tend to go away. Government, on the other hand, just keeps getting bigger and more expensive, and the people making poor decisions keep getting re elected.
    What a great point Ditto!
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    Re: 10 members of Congress took trip secretly funded by foreign government

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The scale, and the fact that business that continue to make poor decisions tend to go away. Government, on the other hand, just keeps getting bigger and more expensive, and the people making poor decisions keep getting re elected.
    I am not really talking about businesses versus government, I am talking about individuals in business and individuals in government. My point was that people do the same things in business that they do in government, its a cultural problem.
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    Re: 10 members of Congress took trip secretly funded by foreign government

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I am not really talking about businesses versus government, I am talking about individuals in business and individuals in government. My point was that people do the same things in business that they do in government, its a cultural problem.
    and those individuals do make decisions that affect their respective institutions. If they didn't, they wouldn't be courted and given perks in the first place.

    and yes, it's a cultural problem that people seem to think it's OK to bribe the decision makers with goodies. It's a cultural problem that people think that pouring money into a political campaign in hopes of getting some return on the "investment" as well.
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    Re: 10 members of Congress took trip secretly funded by foreign government

    If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain any title of nobility or honor or shall,without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever,from any emperor, king,prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.'


    this sounds like a good idea!




    side note:..this is not part of the constitution
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    Re: 10 members of Congress took trip secretly funded by foreign government

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive or retain any title of nobility or honor or shall,without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument of any kind whatever,from any emperor, king,prince or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them, or either of them.'


    this sounds like a good idea!
    Not just a good idea, but the supreme law of the land.

    US CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE I, SECTION 9, CLAUSE 8

    It's time we applied it to anyone getting "emoluments" from foreign governments.


    1.
    profit, salary, or fees from office or employment; compensation for services:
    Tips are an emolument in addition to wages.
    Synonyms: earnings, pay, recompense, stipend, honorarium.
    and then there are the US pols who get money from foreign governments for their campaigns....
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    Re: 10 members of Congress took trip secretly funded by foreign government

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    and those individuals do make decisions that affect their respective institutions. If they didn't, they wouldn't be courted and given perks in the first place.

    and yes, it's a cultural problem that people seem to think it's OK to bribe the decision makers with goodies. It's a cultural problem that people think that pouring money into a political campaign in hopes of getting some return on the "investment" as well.
    But that is my point, what goes on in politics is nothing but a reflection of what goes on in the business world. I have vendors constantly trying to buy me lunches / dinner, take me to games, opening day, concerts and so on. I never do do it though. However, I would say that 95% of purchases / decision makers in business do it all the time, but then hypocritically complain about politicians doing it when they are part of the problem.
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