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Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

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I wish these words would lead to something positive happening.

Obama: Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation - Israel News, Ynetnews

"I will never give up on the hope for peace between Israelis and Palestinians," said Obama, "Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation and the daily indignities that come with it. That's why we've worked so hard over the years for a two-state solution and to develop innovative ways to address Israel's security and Palestinian sovereignty needs." Obama's comments came prior to a meeting of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) in which he is due to sit with key leaders of six Arab nations from the Middle East.

While his hope remains, Obama said, "It's no secret that we now have a very difficult path forward. As a result, the United States is taking a hard look at our approach to the conflict," suggesting that the EU is not alone in considering policy adjustments with Israel. "Addressing the lasting impact in Gaza of last summer's conflict should also be central to any effort," concluded Obama. "Ultimately, the parties will need to address not just Gaza's immediate humanitarian and reconstruction needs, but also core challenges to Gaza's future within a two-state context, including reinvigorating Gaza's connection with the West Bank and reestablishing strong commercial links with Israel and the global economy."
 
Obama wants a final solution to the problem
 
I wish these words would lead to something positive happening.

Obama: Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation - Israel News, Ynetnews

"I will never give up on the hope for peace between Israelis and Palestinians," said Obama, "Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation and the daily indignities that come with it. That's why we've worked so hard over the years for a two-state solution and to develop innovative ways to address Israel's security and Palestinian sovereignty needs." Obama's comments came prior to a meeting of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) in which he is due to sit with key leaders of six Arab nations from the Middle East.

While his hope remains, Obama said, "It's no secret that we now have a very difficult path forward. As a result, the United States is taking a hard look at our approach to the conflict," suggesting that the EU is not alone in considering policy adjustments with Israel. "Addressing the lasting impact in Gaza of last summer's conflict should also be central to any effort," concluded Obama. "Ultimately, the parties will need to address not just Gaza's immediate humanitarian and reconstruction needs, but also core challenges to Gaza's future within a two-state context, including reinvigorating Gaza's connection with the West Bank and reestablishing strong commercial links with Israel and the global economy."

Gee, if the Pal. leadership put all that money that keeps getting thrown at them into helping thier people, instead of lining their own pockets, there would be whole lot less suffering. If they would stop attacking Israel and start working with them, there'd be whole lot less suffering. If the Pal. leadership would stop operating like a criminal/terrorist organization and start operating like a real gov't, there would be a whole lot less suffering. But the President hasn't ever been real big on the whole idea of personal responsibility and has shown a long standing trend towards blaming others, so this comes as no surprise...
 
I wish these words would lead to something positive happening.

Obama: Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation - Israel News, Ynetnews

"I will never give up on the hope for peace between Israelis and Palestinians," said Obama, "Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation and the daily indignities that come with it. That's why we've worked so hard over the years for a two-state solution and to develop innovative ways to address Israel's security and Palestinian sovereignty needs." Obama's comments came prior to a meeting of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) in which he is due to sit with key leaders of six Arab nations from the Middle East.

While his hope remains, Obama said, "It's no secret that we now have a very difficult path forward. As a result, the United States is taking a hard look at our approach to the conflict," suggesting that the EU is not alone in considering policy adjustments with Israel. "Addressing the lasting impact in Gaza of last summer's conflict should also be central to any effort," concluded Obama. "Ultimately, the parties will need to address not just Gaza's immediate humanitarian and reconstruction needs, but also core challenges to Gaza's future within a two-state context, including reinvigorating Gaza's connection with the West Bank and reestablishing strong commercial links with Israel and the global economy."

Well, sure, I think everyone gets that the two state solution is how peace is going to happen, but as it stands the current leaders of both parties aren't in a real peace-talking frame of mind. But ultimately, I agree: no matter how tiring this is we should never give up on the peace process.

It is unfortunate though that Obama should continue his spat with Netanyahu (who, it should be noted, is doing nothing to help), by formatting the speech in such a way as that Israel's security is of secondary concern to Palestinians' sovereignty.
 
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Well, sure, I think everyone gets that the two state solution is how peace is going to happen, but as it stands the current leaders of both parties aren't in a real peace-talking frame of mind. But ultimately, I agree: no matter how tiring this is we should never give up on the peace process.

It is unfortunate though that Obama should continue his spat with Netanyahu (who, it should be noted, is doing nothing to help), by formatting the speech in such a way as that Israel's security is of secondary concern to Palestinians' sovereignty.

then we should impose an international embargo on israel until that nation's forces are no longer occupying lands other than that originally decreed to be israel's
that same approach brought iran to the negotiations table
 
Well, sure, I think everyone gets that the two state solution is how peace is going to happen, but as it stands the current leaders of both parties aren't in a real peace-talking frame of mind. But ultimately, I agree: no matter how tiring this is we should never give up on the peace process.

It is unfortunate though that Obama should continue his spat with Netanyahu (who, it should be noted, is doing nothing to help), by formatting the speech in such a way as that Israel's security is of secondary concern to Palestinians' sovereignty.

I am not so sure that that is accurate. I think that you could say that everyone outside the Middle East believes that. The Arab populace, not so much.
 
then we should impose an international embargo on israel until that nation's forces are no longer occupying lands other than that originally decreed to be israel's
that same approach brought iran to the negotiations table

are you willing to give your home and property back to the Indians?
should we embargo your state until they turn it back over as well?

that is what happens when you lose a war, and Israel has given back a lot of land that they took in that war to no avail.
the fact is Israel has a right to defend itself from unprovoked attack. until the leadership in palastine start acting like a real government instead of a terrorist organization which they are any type of resolution will be impossible.
 
then we should impose an international embargo on israel until that nation's forces are no longer occupying lands other than that originally decreed to be israel's
that same approach brought iran to the negotiations table

Israel's territory is beyond that and we are not the enforcers of long-since defunct UN paperwork that was rejected by the Arabs. Israel has unilaterally given up land, hoping for peace. Thus far, that has proven a failure. When the Palestinians are willing to produce peace, they will get land.
 
I am not so sure that that is accurate. I think that you could say that everyone outside the Middle East believes that. The Arab populace, not so much.

Then allow me to rephrase: everyone who wants a rational solution gets that the two state solution is how peace is going to happen.

then we should impose an international embargo on israel until that nation's forces are no longer occupying lands other than that originally decreed to be israel's
that same approach brought iran to the negotiations table

That is not helpful. Your contribution, in fact, fits right up there with post #2.
 
The tern "deserve" has certainly shifted meaning since I was young.

Decade after decade of unrelenting terrorism "deserves" a reward?

The wheels have truly fallen off the cart.
 
are you willing to give your home and property back to the Indians?
being Cherokee, that is an approach i could live with

should we embargo your state until they turn it back over as well?
works for me

that is what happens when you lose a war, and Israel has given back a lot of land that they took in that war to no avail.
an uncivilized approach to diplomatic relations that would set our world back a few centuries
under your approach, the US should be governing japan, italy, and germany

the fact is Israel has a right to defend itself from unprovoked attack.
that is a right of every sovereign nation
what's your point?

until the leadership in palastine start acting like a real government instead of a terrorist organization which they are any type of resolution will be impossible.
we have an israeli military occupying the land of another people for over 40 years
and you believe it is the Palestinians who are in the wrong for objecting to it
your position is without logic
 
As long as one side remains committed to the total destruction of the other, talking peace is futile.
 
Israel's territory is beyond that and we are not the enforcers of long-since defunct UN paperwork that was rejected by the Arabs. Israel has unilaterally given up land, hoping for peace. Thus far, that has proven a failure. When the Palestinians are willing to produce peace, they will get land.

israel has occupied the land of another people for over forty years
it is time to end that occupation and return to the borders of israel established by the UN
 
Then allow me to rephrase: everyone who wants a rational solution gets that the two state solution is how peace is going to happen.



That is not helpful. Your contribution, in fact, fits right up there with post #2.

share with us why my proposed approach should be found untenable
 
Oh no! He essentially repeated the official US line on the conflict! Everyone freak out and get your "he's an anti-semite" cards ready! Anytime now godwins law shall be upheld!
 
israel has occupied the land of another people for over forty years
it is time to end that occupation and return to the borders of israel established by the UN

Actually, we should send in our army and force all the Palestinians into some sparsely populated area in Siberia.

That's how helpful your post is.
 
share with us why my proposed approach should be found untenable

Because you have exhibited zero interest in Israel's long term needs. In fact, based on your posting history I'm not sure they're on your mind at all. If you want a peaceful solution both sides' needs will have to be addressed, not just the side you're interested in.
 
Because you have exhibited zero interest in Israel's long term needs. In fact, based on your posting history I'm not sure they're on your mind at all. If you want a peaceful solution both sides' needs will have to be addressed, not just the side you're interested in.

but both sides are unequal in power
and israel has shown us for over forty years that it is not planning to vacate the lands of another people
in fact, it currently displaces the original inhabitants and installs its own
again, within the lands of another people

so, given that reluctance by israel to peacefully abandon its illegal occupation, the international community should impose an embargo against israel to give that nation incentive to return its people and its army to its own borders

now, share with us what i have gotten wrong
 
israel has occupied the land of another people for over forty years
it is time to end that occupation and return to the borders of israel established by the UN

Not until Israel's security needs can be guaranteed.
Palestinian terrorism predates the Israeli occupation of the WB, or the Jordanian one. It makes no sense at all to simply withdraw from the territories while terrorism still threatens the citizens of Israel. You may not show any caring for the lives of Israeli citizens who are threatened by these terrorists' attacks, but don't expect Israel to act the same as you do. It's absurd to expect a state's government to advocate the massacre of its citizens.
 
but both sides are unequal in power
and israel has shown us for over forty years that it is not planning to vacate the lands of another people
in fact, it currently displaces the original inhabitants and installs its own
again, within the lands of another people

so, given that reluctance by israel to peacefully abandon its illegal occupation, the international community should impose an embargo against israel to give that nation incentive to return its people and its army to its own borders

now, share with us what i have gotten wrong

What you have gotten wrong is your refusal to acknowledge that Israel has long term needs of its own. Until you accept that your observations and "solutions" are just blather.

I'm biased in favor of Israel myself, so I don't consider your bias to be the problem. Your problem is this pie-in-the-sky notion that you can just go in, pick a side, and force one party to act the way you want. The only way any kind of long term, viable peace is going to happen is when both parties sit down and work out their demands so they walk away feeling like they got their most important needs met.
 
Obama wants a final solution to the problem

Zero to Godwin in one post. Fantastic contribution. You are a real debatepolitics winner, dude.
 
The tern "deserve" has certainly shifted meaning since I was young.

Decade after decade of unrelenting terrorism "deserves" a reward?

The wheels have truly fallen off the cart.

There are criminals in your place of living too. Always have been.

Therefore you don't deserve to be free.
 
Israel's territory is beyond that and we are not the enforcers of long-since defunct UN paperwork that was rejected by the Arabs. Israel has unilaterally given up land, hoping for peace. Thus far, that has proven a failure. When the Palestinians are willing to produce peace, they will get land.

"Stop resisting occupation and obey, then you will be rewarded!"

Not sure they'll buy that.
 
I wish these words would lead to something positive happening.

Obama: Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation - Israel News, Ynetnews

"I will never give up on the hope for peace between Israelis and Palestinians," said Obama, "Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation and the daily indignities that come with it. That's why we've worked so hard over the years for a two-state solution and to develop innovative ways to address Israel's security and Palestinian sovereignty needs." Obama's comments came prior to a meeting of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) in which he is due to sit with key leaders of six Arab nations from the Middle East.

While his hope remains, Obama said, "It's no secret that we now have a very difficult path forward. As a result, the United States is taking a hard look at our approach to the conflict," suggesting that the EU is not alone in considering policy adjustments with Israel. "Addressing the lasting impact in Gaza of last summer's conflict should also be central to any effort," concluded Obama. "Ultimately, the parties will need to address not just Gaza's immediate humanitarian and reconstruction needs, but also core challenges to Gaza's future within a two-state context, including reinvigorating Gaza's connection with the West Bank and reestablishing strong commercial links with Israel and the global economy."

He is rather late to come out and kick the Israelis in the teeth, but that is Obama for you.

Of course, he is right that the Palestinians got a rotten deal. But the generation of their fathers acted very badly and the present population has not stopped shooting rockets into Israel. I do not see that Israel has the option of the "Two States" solution once envisioned unless someone is willing to protect them and guarantee the population's security and freedom. And Obama has shown how little they should rely on DC.
Also the demographics do not allow for a Palestinian presents in the state of Israel, if they want to remain Israeli.
 
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