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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    dude, i AM native American
    an indian currently owns my property. he is Cherokee
    try again
    I have no way to verify or not verify this claim.


    even you realize that the US does not occupy and control japan, italy, and germany, which proves your justification for occupation to be a wrong one
    Please show me where I said this. After WWII the allies very much were occupying those nations.



    actually, that would be you
    you are the one who expresses opposition to the occupied people resisting the occupiers
    way to strawman what I said. I never said anything of the sort.



    have you no sense of history. the Palestinians object to their present occupiers just as the American patriots objected to the british occupation
    do you resent that your forefathers took up resistance to oust the british occupiers from the Americans' own lands
    this is an equivalence fallacy. the two are not the same. Israel has had control of the west bank for a while. they won it fair and square in a botched war.
    they won actually more land than that in that war, however they have given much of the land back in so called land for peace deals that were none existent until
    they said enough was enough.


    do you not view an unwelcome armed party occupying your property as being a provocation
    they lost that property in a failed war. as for the other if they stop the unprovoked attacks on Israel then Israel will leave them alone.
    pretty simple, and something Israel has stated time and time again.

    they refuse to allow this to happen so Israel will maintain a military presence in order to stop unwanted attacks on it's populace.



    the Palestinians have already recognized israel
    and they recognize the same israeli borders as does the UN - the party which recognized israel to exist
    israel would subject its people to less harm if it would abandon the lands of another people

    no, your position continues to be devoid of logic
    see above
    only to someone that has to distort what people say.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    not true
    if israel abandoned the land of Palestine and returned to the UN decreed israeli borders, why would the Palestinians then attack israel
    and with what means
    the same means that they do now. they hid in houses and shoot rockets at easier. the only difference is now they would have a closer
    distance to shoot from.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Wow. I just don't....how...what....dude...

    Have you never read a newspaper?? I mean, I've seen you participate in these debates countless times. How do you not know the answer to your own question?
    I think the answer is pretty obvious. The ant-Semitism isn't very well concealed.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post

    Fear! Be afraid! Palestinians wanna kill all the Jews!


    Save your untrue generalizations.
    If they really wanted a non-violent solution, why would they continually choose a terrorist organization as their govt.

    Actions speak louder than words

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    If they really wanted a non-violent solution, why would they continually choose a terrorist organization as their govt.

    Actions speak louder than words
    Do they now? So I guess whenever a group of people within a country commits violent actions its a condemnation of the whole people? So when America bombs Iraq it means all Americans favor violence and destruction?
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The tern "deserve" has certainly shifted meaning since I was young.

    Decade after decade of unrelenting terrorism "deserves" a reward?

    The wheels have truly fallen off the cart.
    Yes, because all suffering Palestinians, women and children included are engaged in terrorism.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    israel is the only nation in the region with nuclear weapons
    of course its security needs are guaranteed


    that does not make armed resistance to an occupying power terrorism
    at least not any more than when the American colonists resisted british occupation
    and i believe (hope) most of us feel positive about that action and outcome


    there is no possible way to assure that no citizen of israel will ever be threatened
    just as there is no way to guarantee that no citizen of the US would be threatened while residing in the US
    but given israel's disproportionately stronger military, only a fool would believe that israel is genuinely subjected to threat as a nation


    one of my best friends and his family are currently in israel, visiting their extended family. his brother is buried there. i care for the lives of israelis
    but i also care for the lives of Palestinians - to the same degree
    and while i recognize that rogue actions are inflicted against the israeli citizens, my belief is that subjugating the Palestinian people, displacing them from their own lands, only perpetuates the anger that results in armed conflict


    and no state is advocating massacre
    but one state is occupying the land of another people
    why should those people on the occupied lands have reason to believe in good will from the occupiers
    Not to go through all your points, but I noted this point you made:

    that does not make armed resistance to an occupying power terrorism
    at least not any more than when the American colonists resisted british occupation
    and i believe (hope) most of us feel positive about that action and outcome
    There were also the Tories who did not support the other colonists and abandoned their property and escaped to Halifax. They too were not permitted to return and reclaim their property. Any comments on that?

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    dude, i AM native American
    an indian currently owns my property. he is Cherokee
    try again

    You've really got that one tenth of one percent working for you today, Bubba. It gives you so much cred I find myself envious!
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Vatican to Recognize Palestinian State in New Treaty
    By GAIA PIANIGIANI and RICK GLADSTONEMAY 13, 2015

    ROME — The Vatican said Wednesday that it had concluded a treaty to recognize Palestinian statehood, a symbolic but significant step welcomed by Palestinians but upsetting to the Israeli government.

    Formal recognition of a Palestinian state by the Vatican, which has deep religious interests in the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories that include Christian holy sites, lends a powerful signal of moral authority and legitimacy to the efforts by the Palestinian Authority’s president, Mahmoud Abbas, to achieve statehood despite the long paralyzed Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

    Israel has grown increasingly alarmed about the increased international acceptance of Palestine as a state since the United Nations upgraded the Palestinian delegation’s status in 2012 to that of a nonmember observer state. A number of European countries have also signaled their acceptance of Palestinian statehood.

    A statement from a joint commission of Vatican and Palestinian diplomatic officials, posted on the Vatican news website, said “the work of the commission on the text of the agreement has been concluded,” and that it would be submitted for formal approval and for signing “in the near future.”

    Hanna Amireh, head of a Palestinian committee on church affairs, said the treaty was a broad one regarding the Vatican’s interests in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip, including the standing of churches and church courts and taxes on church charities, institutions and lands, as well as other cultural and diplomatic matters. He said it had been under negotiation for about a year.

    “The Vatican is the spiritual capital of the Catholics, and they are recognizing Palestine, that’s the chief importance,” said Mr. Amireh, who is also a member of the Palestine Liberation Organization’s executive committee. The move counters an image of Palestinians as militants or terrorists, he added, as a “recognition of the Palestinian character that has a clear message for coexistence and peace.”

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    I agree. Couple that with Israel's hard-liner position of establishing even more settlements and pushing the Palestine's off the edge of the earth and I see absolutely no progress possible in the near future. Seems like everyone BUT Palestine and Israel want peace between the Israeli's and Palestinians.
    Israel's hardliners have power because the Moderates had a chance to try out their theory, and give the Palestinians autonomy, hoping for peace. The Israelis were rewarded with more rockets, and the Israeli populace reacted accordingly.

    That's why I think the US oughta just butt out and leave them both to wallow in their own crap. They reap what they sew. I got no love for either of them. I am more interested in the United States.
    Israel is an important ally in this region, as well as being the only fully functioning Democracy. Butting Out completely isn't really an option.
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