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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    not true
    if israel abandoned the land of Palestine and returned to the UN decreed israeli borders, why would the Palestinians then attack Israel
    For the same reasons that they did the first time around? Because they demand all the land and do not recognize (and will continue to refuse to recognize) Israel's right to exist?


    You seem to forget that we've already had this experiment. Israel withdrew from Gaza. The Palestinians had a chance to show what they would do when given autonomy. Apparently what they wanted to do was elect a terror group to run their government and continue the assault on Israel.
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it would do what it does today
    use its abundant and capable conventional weapons and obliterate the source of the opposition
    Yeah, they did that back in the late 40s and then again in the 60s. So they followed your proscription, and of course you continue to attack them for it.
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    it would do what it does today
    use its abundant and capable conventional weapons and obliterate the source of the opposition

    but if the well equipped saudis came to the aid of the offending Palestinian nation, then israel would have the means to deter such a military power

    you would do well to apply your own admonition
    Alright. Well, I think it's clear then that you don't actually want peace. You just want an ongoing state of conflict but with the border in a different place. Whether you're aware of it or not that's exactly what you're advocating.

    It's positions like yours make me think that foreigners have absolutely no business determining how another country resolves its conflicts. So many people have learned nothing from the partitioning of the Middle East after WW1, our interference in Iran that led to the Iranian Revolution, our support of the Mujahadeen that lead Al Qaeda and our invasion of Iraq.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I appreciate you demonstrating the intellectual depth of your position.
    thank you
    i only wish i could return the compliment



    Arabs occupied Jewish land for over a thousand years. It's time to end that occupation and return to the borders assigned by God.
    i find the borders identified and recognized by the UN to be more credible - and documentable



    OR we can agree that going back in time to find the borders most advantageous to the side-you-favor and declaring that for some reason to be the default position is dumb. The Arabs were offered those UN borders - they refused them and instead declared war. They lost.
    your understanding of history is in error
    it was the israelis who began the wars
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Why confuse things with facts?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3Px11xN-0

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i find the borders identified and recognized by the UN to be more credible - and documentable
    that's interesting. I had no idea that there were no documents made after 1949.

    your understanding of history is in error
    it was the israelis who began the wars
    On the contrary - you are in error. Israel accepted the UN Partition. The Arabs did not, and instead declared war. You could even look it up.
    Worth noting, Democrats: President Trump will have a Pen and a Phone. #Precedent.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Wow. I just don't....how...what....dude...

    Have you never read a newspaper?? I mean, I've seen you participate in these debates countless times. How do you not know the answer to your own question?
    you fail to recognize that israel remains a occupying armed force
    it's a continuing provocation

    when the American patriots ran the british out of American lands, the Americans did not then follow the brits across the ocean to fire at them
    the british departure eliminated the provocation that incited the armed resistance

    surprised i need to offer such remedial history to some of our forum members
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why confuse things with facts?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3Px11xN-0

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    For the same reasons that they did the first time around? Because they demand all the land and do not recognize (and will continue to refuse to recognize) Israel's right to exist?


    You seem to forget that we've already had this experiment. Israel withdrew from Gaza. The Palestinians had a chance to show what they would do when given autonomy. Apparently what they wanted to do was elect a terror group to run their government and continue the assault on Israel.
    ah
    an embargoed gaza
    yet you object to an embargoed israel
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why confuse things with facts?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3Px11xN-0

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    thank you
    i only wish i could return the compliment




    i find the borders identified and recognized by the UN to be more credible - and documentable




    your understanding of history is in error
    it was the israelis who began the wars
    Maybe we should just leave the boarders as they are. What do you think speaks against that. Everyone has been living there for half a century now.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that's interesting. I had no idea that there were no documents made after 1949.



    On the contrary - you are in error. Israel accepted the UN Partition. The Arabs did not, and instead declared war. You could even look it up.
    the israelis initiated the hostile actions
    look it up
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why confuse things with facts?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3Px11xN-0

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Maybe we should just leave the boarders as they are. What do you think speaks against that. Everyone has been living there for half a century now.
    give me your address
    i will come and visit you for five minutes and then declare your property to be mine by 'virtue' of my occupation
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why confuse things with facts?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3Px11xN-0

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