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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah. Nukes aren't exactly the most fungible of response options.
    It would be like if my neighbor was playing his music too loud, so in retaliation, I...well...I nuke him.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    then please vacate your land and property and give it back to the Indians I will be waiting for you to do this.
    dude, i AM native American
    an indian currently owns my property. he is Cherokee
    try again


    well for a while after WWII the UN was doing just that.
    why do you think japans military is basically nothing more than homeland defense?
    even you realize that the US does not occupy and control japan, italy, and germany, which proves your justification for occupation to be a wrong one



    you seem to have an issue with it.
    actually, that would be you
    you are the one who expresses opposition to the occupied people resisting the occupiers



    If the Palestinians lived like civilized people and didn't commit unprovoked attacks against Israel and let them live in peace then
    there would be no need for an occupation.
    have you no sense of history. the Palestinians object to their present occupiers just as the American patriots objected to the british occupation
    do you resent that your forefathers took up resistance to oust the british occupiers from the Americans' own lands


    as it sits down there is a need as the Palestinian government has no problem committing and approving of unprovoked attacks.
    do you not view an unwelcome armed party occupying your property as being a provocation


    until the time that their government see Israel and recognizes Israel as a real nation and acknowledges the borders as they are
    Israel has the authority to protect it's people from harm.
    the Palestinians have already recognized israel
    and they recognize the same israeli borders as does the UN - the party which recognized israel to exist
    israel would subject its people to less harm if it would abandon the lands of another people

    so my position has plenty of logic.
    no, your position continues to be devoid of logic
    see above
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It would be like if my neighbor was playing his music too loud, so in retaliation, I...well...I nuke him.
    Yeah, but I think we both know that what he means is "if your neighbor is shooting rockets at your schools, you just let him, if your Israel".
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    dude, i AM native American
    an indian currently owns my property. he is Cherokee
    Where do you live?
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    Israel would give up those settlements in a heartbeat if the Palestinians could show they could be trusted for more than 5 minutes. Thus far that hasn't happened.
    not true
    if israel abandoned the land of Palestine and returned to the UN decreed israeli borders, why would the Palestinians then attack israel
    and with what means
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by KLATTU View Post
    Oh cut it out.A neighbor intent on wiping you out is a huge threat. Whay are pretending that it isn't??? hmmmmmmmmmmmm
    a neighbor without the means
    there is no genuine threat
    but in this instance, it serves as a justification to displace another people and take their lands
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    if israel abandoned the land of Palestine and returned to the UN decreed israeli borders, why would the Palestinians then attack israel
    Wow. I just don't....how...what....dude...

    Have you never read a newspaper?? I mean, I've seen you participate in these debates countless times. How do you not know the answer to your own question?

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you see israel as being threatened
    please share with us which nation - or aggregation of nations - in the region has the meas to terminate the nation of israel
    There are lots of threats that are not lethal but do major or intolerable damage. A state can hardly allow continuous attack with albeit primitive rockets or a while ago with baby-bombs. Let down the guard and see hundred civilians killed and the PM would be toast. The demographics are a threat. And let a small shift occur in international power and you would see the scale of danger emanating from the neighbors easily grow beyond your dreams. Oh, no. You are in the international theater and no longer in Kansas.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I wish these words would lead to something positive happening.

    Obama: Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation - Israel News, Ynetnews

    "I will never give up on the hope for peace between Israelis and Palestinians," said Obama, "Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation and the daily indignities that come with it. That's why we've worked so hard over the years for a two-state solution and to develop innovative ways to address Israel's security and Palestinian sovereignty needs." Obama's comments came prior to a meeting of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) in which he is due to sit with key leaders of six Arab nations from the Middle East.

    While his hope remains, Obama said, "It's no secret that we now have a very difficult path forward. As a result, the United States is taking a hard look at our approach to the conflict," suggesting that the EU is not alone in considering policy adjustments with Israel. "Addressing the lasting impact in Gaza of last summer's conflict should also be central to any effort," concluded Obama. "Ultimately, the parties will need to address not just Gaza's immediate humanitarian and reconstruction needs, but also core challenges to Gaza's future within a two-state context, including reinvigorating Gaza's connection with the West Bank and reestablishing strong commercial links with Israel and the global economy."
    As long as the US congress is in the pocket of AIPAC, the Israeli lobby, there will never be peace and Israel will continue to occupy these indigenous people, the Palestinians. Any solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict should be taken out of US hands and left to the Europeans who are not controlled by Israel. The Jewish lobby has bought practically every Republican and some Democrats lock stock and barrel, so in essence, the US congress is there to protect Israel whether the Zionist nation is right or wrong, and the American people will only get more Arab enemies in exchange for their taxpayer dollars to Israel.
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Your understanding of Israel's "long term security needs" is surreal at best, as you appear to believe that simply possessing nukes is sufficient. What do you think Israel is going to do when a newly sovereign Palestine fires rockets at Tel Aviv? Nuke the West Bank 32 miles way? Think! Stop looking at the needs of just one side, study the demands and needs of both sides...and think!
    it would do what it does today
    use its abundant and capable conventional weapons and obliterate the source of the opposition

    but if the well equipped saudis came to the aid of the offending Palestinian nation, then israel would have the means to deter such a military power

    you would do well to apply your own admonition
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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