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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    He is rather late to come out and kick the Israelis in the teeth, but that is Obama for you.

    Of course, he is right that the Palestinians got a rotten deal. But the generation of their fathers acted very badly and the present population has not stopped shooting rockets into Israel. I do not see that Israel has the option of the "Two States" solution once envisioned unless someone is willing to protect them and guarantee the population's security and freedom. And Obama has shown how little they should rely on DC.
    Also the demographics do not allow for a Palestinian presents in the state of Israel, if they want to remain Israeli.
    you see israel as being threatened
    please share with us which nation - or aggregation of nations - in the region has the means to terminate the nation of israel
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    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    israel has occupied the land of another people for over forty years
    it is time to end that occupation and return to the borders of israel established by the UN
    Israel would give up those settlements in a heartbeat if the Palestinians could show they could be trusted for more than 5 minutes. Thus far that hasn't happened.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    of course israel has long term needs of its own
    but occupying the lands of another for almost a half century is not the means to achieve them

    ... unless the intent is to displace those people and take their lands
    what should cause us to conclude that is not the genuine intent?
    when occupying those lands help keep bombs from being launched into your market places then yes
    that is a long term need. would disagree that it is ok for me to shoot bullets and throw pipe bombs at your home?


    and now that i have demonstrated that i recognize israel has its own long term needs, share with us why it needs to continue to occupy the lands of another people
    no you have demonstrated what you opinion is of their long term need but you missed the mark with your opinion.

    we have seen over the course of almost a half century that waiting for israel to relinquish its grip on the lands of another people is an unrealistic expectation
    and since it is the more powerful of the two parties, by a few quanta, something must be initiated to motivate israel to be willing to abandon the lands of the other people. which is why i recommend the application of an international embargo
    Israel is not going to move until the palastinien government gets itself in order and stops the terror attacks on Israel. until that happens Israel will continue to be in the land that it rightfully owns.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you see israel as being threatened
    please share with us which nation - or aggregation of nations - in the region has the meas to terminate the nation of israel
    Oh cut it out.A neighbor intent on wiping you out is a huge threat. Whay are pretending that it isn't??? hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    of course israel has long term needs of its own
    but occupying the lands of another for almost a half century is not the means to achieve them

    ... unless the intent is to displace those people and take their lands
    what should cause us to conclude that is not the genuine intent?


    and now that i have demonstrated that i recognize israel has its own long term needs, share with us why it needs to continue to occupy the lands of another people


    we have seen over the course of almost a half century that waiting for israel to relinquish its grip on the lands of another people is an unrealistic expectation
    and since it is the more powerful of the two parties, by a few quanta, something must be initiated to motivate israel to be willing to abandon the lands of the other people. which is why i recommend the application of an international embargo
    Your understanding of Israel's "long term security needs" is surreal at best, as you appear to believe that simply possessing nukes is sufficient. What do you think Israel is going to do when a newly sovereign Palestine fires rockets at Tel Aviv? Nuke the West Bank 32 miles way? Think! Stop looking at the needs of just one side, study the demands and needs of both sides...and think!
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Again, people in your city commit acts of violence against innocents, unprovoked, all the time.

    You don't deserve freedom, right?
    I don't have people launch missiles at my home either. if I did I would expect the national guard to come in and deal with the situation.

    I have no problem with a military force who is engaged in a war to prevent more harm to come to its citizens. that is the whole point of an army.
    in my town I have a police force that stops those people from doing what you say.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    being Cherokee, that is an approach i could live with

    works for me

    an uncivilized approach to diplomatic relations that would set our world back a few centuries under your approach, the US should be governing japan, italy, and germany

    that is a right of every sovereign nation what's your point?

    we have an israeli military occupying the land of another people for over 40 years and you believe it is the Palestinians who are in the wrong for objecting to it
    your position is without logic
    I appreciate you demonstrating the intellectual depth of your position.

    israel has occupied the land of another people for over forty years
    it is time to end that occupation and return to the borders of israel established by the UN
    Arabs occupied Jewish land for over a thousand years. It's time to end that occupation and return to the borders assigned by God.



    OR we can agree that going back in time to find the borders most advantageous to the side-you-favor and declaring that for some reason to be the default position is dumb. The Arabs were offered those UN borders - they refused them and instead declared war. They lost.
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Your understanding of Israel's "long term security needs" are bizarre at best, as you appear to believe that simply possessing nukes is sufficient. What do you think Israel is going to do when a newly sovereign Palestine fires rockets at Tel Aviv? Nuke the West Bank 32 miles way? Think! Stop looking at the needs of just one side, study the demands and needs of both sides...and think!
    that is too difficult appeals to emotion are better.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Your understanding of Israel's "long term security needs" are bizarre at best, as you appear to believe that simply possessing nukes is sufficient. What do you think Israel is going to do when a newly sovereign Palestine fires rockets at Tel Aviv? Nuke the West Bank 32 miles way? Think! Stop looking at the needs of just one side, study the demands and needs of both sides...and think!
    Yeah. Nukes aren't exactly the most fungible of response options.
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There are criminals in your place of living too. Always have been.

    Therefore you don't deserve to be free.
    My place of living has not elevated criminality to its very raison d'etre. Somehow, I'm missing all the streets named after mass murderers here, the posters celebrating the death of innocent people or the children's shows aimed at creating genocidal hatred.
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