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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Long term peace is not really an option we will probably live to see.
    Maybe, maybe not, but long term peace, however long it takes, is preferable to one side exterminating the other. And the current state of affairs can't go on forever.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Oh no! He essentially repeated the official US line on the conflict! Everyone freak out and get your "he's an anti-semite" cards ready! Anytime now godwins law shall be upheld!
    godwins law only refers to rhetorically invoking the holocaust comparisons, the palestinians actual goal is to kill all Jews

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Maybe, maybe not, but long term peace, however long it takes, is preferable to one side exterminating the other. And the current state of affairs can't go on forever.
    For living humans it practically has gone on for ever. And it is not really clear that any peace is better for the Israeli population than no peace and it certainly is not for the Palestinian leaders.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    For living humans it practically has gone on for ever. And it is not really clear that any peace is better for the Israeli population than no peace and it certainly is not for the Palestinian leaders.
    I agree.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Not until Israel's security needs can be guaranteed.
    israel is the only nation in the region with nuclear weapons
    of course its security needs are guaranteed

    Palestinian terrorism predates the Israeli occupation of the WB, or the Jordanian one.
    that does not make armed resistance to an occupying power terrorism
    at least not any more than when the American colonists resisted british occupation
    and i believe (hope) most of us feel positive about that action and outcome

    It makes no sense at all to simply withdraw from the territories while terrorism still threatens the citizens of Israel.
    there is no possible way to assure that no citizen of israel will ever be threatened
    just as there is no way to guarantee that no citizen of the US would be threatened while residing in the US
    but given israel's disproportionately stronger military, only a fool would believe that israel is genuinely subjected to threat as a nation

    You may not show any caring for the lives of Israeli citizens who are threatened by these terrorists' attacks, but don't expect Israel to act the same as you do.
    one of my best friends and his family are currently in israel, visiting their extended family. his brother is buried there. i care for the lives of israelis
    but i also care for the lives of Palestinians - to the same degree
    and while i recognize that rogue actions are inflicted against the israeli citizens, my belief is that subjugating the Palestinian people, displacing them from their own lands, only perpetuates the anger that results in armed conflict

    It's absurd to expect a state's government to advocate the massacre of its citizens.
    and no state is advocating massacre
    but one state is occupying the land of another people
    why should those people on the occupied lands have reason to believe in good will from the occupiers
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    godwins law only refers to rhetorically invoking the holocaust comparisons, the palestinians actual goal is to kill all Jews

    Fear! Be afraid! Palestinians wanna kill all the Jews!


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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    israel is the only nation in the region with nuclear weapons
    of course its security needs are guaranteed


    that does not make armed resistance to an occupying power terrorism
    at least not any more than when the American colonists resisted british occupation
    and i believe (hope) most of us feel positive about that action and outcome


    there is no possible way to assure that no citizen of israel will ever be threatened
    just as there is no way to guarantee that no citizen of the US would be threatened while residing in the US
    but given israel's disproportionately stronger military, only a fool would believe that israel is genuinely subjected to threat as a nation


    one of my best friends and his family are currently in israel, visiting their extended family. his brother is buried there. i care for the lives of israelis
    but i also care for the lives of Palestinians - to the same degree
    and while i recognize that rogue actions are inflicted against the israeli citizens, my belief is that subjugating the Palestinian people, displacing them from their own lands, only perpetuates the anger that results in armed conflict


    and no state is advocating massacre
    but one state is occupying the land of another people
    why should those people on the occupied lands have reason to believe in good will from the occupiers
    Wow, dude, you just did the "I have Israeli friends" thing.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    being Cherokee, that is an approach i could live with


    works for me
    then please vacate your land and property and give it back to the Indians I will be waiting for you to do this.

    an uncivilized approach to diplomatic relations that would set our world back a few centuries
    under your approach, the US should be governing japan, italy, and Germany
    well for a while after WWII the UN was doing just that.
    why do you think japans military is basically nothing more than homeland defense?

    that is a right of every sovereign nation
    what's your point?
    you seem to have an issue with it.

    we have an israeli military occupying the land of another people for over 40 years
    and you believe it is the Palestinians who are in the wrong for objecting to it
    your position is without logic
    If the Palestinians lived like civilized people and didn't commit unprovoked attacks against Israel and let them live in peace then
    there would be no need for an occupation.

    as it sits down there is a need as the Palestinian government has no problem committing and approving of unprovoked attacks.
    until the time that their government see Israel and recognizes Israel as a real nation and acknowledges the borders as they are
    Israel has the authority to protect it's people from harm.

    so my position has plenty of logic.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    What you have gotten wrong is your refusal to acknowledge that Israel has long term needs of its own.
    of course israel has long term needs of its own
    but occupying the lands of another for almost a half century is not the means to achieve them

    ... unless the intent is to displace those people and take their lands
    what should cause us to conclude that is not the genuine intent?

    Until you accept that your observations and "solutions" are just blather.
    and now that i have demonstrated that i recognize israel has its own long term needs, share with us why it needs to continue to occupy the lands of another people

    I'm biased in favor of Israel myself, so I don't consider your bias to be the problem. Your problem is this pie-in-the-sky notion that you can just go in, pick a side, and force one party to act the way you want. The only way any kind of long term, viable peace is going to happen is when both parties sit down and work out their demands so they walk away feeling like they got their most important needs met.
    we have seen over the course of almost a half century that waiting for israel to relinquish its grip on the lands of another people is an unrealistic expectation
    and since it is the more powerful of the two parties, by a few quanta, something must be initiated to motivate israel to be willing to abandon the lands of the other people. which is why i recommend the application of an international embargo
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by ludin View Post
    then please vacate your land and property and give it back to the Indians I will be waiting for you to do this.


    well for a while after WWII the UN was doing just that.
    why do you think japans military is basically nothing more than homeland defense?



    you seem to have an issue with it.



    If the Palestinians lived like civilized people and didn't commit unprovoked attacks against Israel and let them live in peace then
    there would be no need for an occupation.

    as it sits down there is a need as the Palestinian government has no problem committing and approving of unprovoked attacks.
    until the time that their government see Israel and recognizes Israel as a real nation and acknowledges the borders as they are
    Israel has the authority to protect it's people from harm.

    so my position has plenty of logic.
    Again, people in your city commit acts of violence against innocents, unprovoked, all the time.

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