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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but both sides are unequal in power
    and israel has shown us for over forty years that it is not planning to vacate the lands of another people
    in fact, it currently displaces the original inhabitants and installs its own
    again, within the lands of another people

    so, given that reluctance by israel to peacefully abandon its illegal occupation, the international community should impose an embargo against israel to give that nation incentive to return its people and its army to its own borders

    now, share with us what i have gotten wrong
    What you have gotten wrong is your refusal to acknowledge that Israel has long term needs of its own. Until you accept that your observations and "solutions" are just blather.

    I'm biased in favor of Israel myself, so I don't consider your bias to be the problem. Your problem is this pie-in-the-sky notion that you can just go in, pick a side, and force one party to act the way you want. The only way any kind of long term, viable peace is going to happen is when both parties sit down and work out their demands so they walk away feeling like they got their most important needs met.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Obama wants a final solution to the problem
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The tern "deserve" has certainly shifted meaning since I was young.

    Decade after decade of unrelenting terrorism "deserves" a reward?

    The wheels have truly fallen off the cart.
    There are criminals in your place of living too. Always have been.

    Therefore you don't deserve to be free.
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Israel's territory is beyond that and we are not the enforcers of long-since defunct UN paperwork that was rejected by the Arabs. Israel has unilaterally given up land, hoping for peace. Thus far, that has proven a failure. When the Palestinians are willing to produce peace, they will get land.
    "Stop resisting occupation and obey, then you will be rewarded!"

    Not sure they'll buy that.
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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Anomalism View Post
    I wish these words would lead to something positive happening.

    Obama: Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation - Israel News, Ynetnews

    "I will never give up on the hope for peace between Israelis and Palestinians," said Obama, "Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation and the daily indignities that come with it. That's why we've worked so hard over the years for a two-state solution and to develop innovative ways to address Israel's security and Palestinian sovereignty needs." Obama's comments came prior to a meeting of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) in which he is due to sit with key leaders of six Arab nations from the Middle East.

    While his hope remains, Obama said, "It's no secret that we now have a very difficult path forward. As a result, the United States is taking a hard look at our approach to the conflict," suggesting that the EU is not alone in considering policy adjustments with Israel. "Addressing the lasting impact in Gaza of last summer's conflict should also be central to any effort," concluded Obama. "Ultimately, the parties will need to address not just Gaza's immediate humanitarian and reconstruction needs, but also core challenges to Gaza's future within a two-state context, including reinvigorating Gaza's connection with the West Bank and reestablishing strong commercial links with Israel and the global economy."
    He is rather late to come out and kick the Israelis in the teeth, but that is Obama for you.

    Of course, he is right that the Palestinians got a rotten deal. But the generation of their fathers acted very badly and the present population has not stopped shooting rockets into Israel. I do not see that Israel has the option of the "Two States" solution once envisioned unless someone is willing to protect them and guarantee the population's security and freedom. And Obama has shown how little they should rely on DC.
    Also the demographics do not allow for a Palestinian presents in the state of Israel, if they want to remain Israeli.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Crovax View Post
    Obama wants a final solution to the problem
    He is not the first, but the one I would trust least, if I were Israeli.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Stop resisting occupation and obey, then you will be rewarded!"

    Not sure they'll buy that.
    Which is why we need to spend as much time as is necessary to get them to negotiate again. No long-term peace will be achieved by forcing just one party to behave the way you want.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Stop resisting occupation and obey, then you will be rewarded!"

    Not sure they'll buy that.
    Read "assimilated" for "rewarded" and you have it about right.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Just so we can all see why nothing will come of this, lets see how many definitions there are of the area occupied by Israel. Go.

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    Re: Obama:"Palestinians deserve an end to the occupation"

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Which is why we need to spend as much time as is necessary to get them to negotiate again. No long-term peace will be achieved by forcing just one party to behave the way you want.
    Long term peace is not really an option we will probably live to see.

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