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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Thank you. For sheer educational value, that article rivals even Pravda. Seldom have I seen innuendo used so cleverly.

    Knowing what a immoral, racist country this is--and that Texas is among the worst parts of it--I of course assumed at first that this was the usual racism at work. I mean, we all know how Michael Brown and Eric Garner and Freddie Gray (among other innocent blacks) were lynched by the racist power structure. But no--this victim of judicial lynching was a white man!

    It's sickening just to think what a moral degenerate that prosecutor is. His sworn duty was not to get convictions, but to see that justice was done. And yet he was so unprincipled, so bloodthirsty, so eager to lynch an innocent, grieving father, that he was willing to buy the false testimony of that jailhouse snitch with lavish favors. As usual, of course, all twelve of the jurors were idiots who just wanted to get it over with, and evidence be damned. And the fact the poor guy's "lawyer" only called ONE witness proves he's an incompetent dope who went to some back-of-a-matchbook law school.

    No doubt the trial judge slept through half the trial, and was texting his girlfriend the rest of the time. He probably just looked up often enough to say "overruled" occasionally. And those bozos they get on state appeals courts are the worst. Their attitude was, "Don't bother us with that stuff about the arson evidence being full of holes--the bastard murdered his kids and deserves to die, and everybody knows it."

    The whole appeals system in redneck hellholes like Texas--and that includes its so-called supreme court--is nothing but a rubber stamp. What do those yahoos know about the law and the Constitution, compared to the evolved and educated people who know their Brie and their brioches, and write for Newsweek? I say any state that could have made that reich-wing dimwit Ted Cruz its Solicitor General is populated by mental defectives.

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The Sodomy law has been found to be unconstitutional. It is being used against and targeting gays. The point is are you OK with this abuse of process?
    I don't accept the lurid claims of your articles as proof it is taking place. Even if there is a policy of falsely arresting people for violating invalid laws, both state laws and federal civil rights laws provide an adequate recourse for any victims of it. A police official has to be an utter fool to condone illegal stunts that end up costing his city lots of money in lawsuits, because he will surely be fired for it, and sometimes may even serve jail time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I don't accept the lurid claims of your articles as proof it is taking place. Even if there is a policy of falsely arresting people for violating invalid laws, both state laws and federal civil rights laws provide an adequate recourse for any victims of it. A police official has to be an utter fool to condone illegal stunts that end up costing his city lots of money in lawsuits, because he will surely be fired for it, and sometimes may even serve jail time.
    Reputable links, with the Sheriff basically stating it is on the books, we enforce it. What does it take to convince you?
    You have that much of an issue with gays?
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetron View Post
    The issue with gay marriage is the word marriage. Marriage originated as a religious institution, it was meant to be the joining of a reproductive group into a religiously blessed union (this hopefully will cover poly, and monogamous for everyone). The point being that said religion was giving you the thumbs up to make babies and not feel bad about it. The point of this is that marriage is a concept that stems from a religious institution that was recognized by the state. As such the state lacks the power to create gay marriage because marriage is not created by the state, only recognized. If this is an issue of rights then options exist such as civil unions. While there would be some who would oppose them it would be trivial effort if the homosexual rights groups refocused to equalize the rights available under said unions.

    Gay marriage is a violation of the separation of church and state because it is the state attempting to define a religious institution and force them to comply. Civil unions are on the other hand totally within the rights of the state to create and manage as they see fit. The question then becomes if equality is the goal why is the word marriage so important to homosexual couples. They could easily obtain equality with a civil union.
    Marriage did not originate as a religious institution. It was largely a private, non-religious affair that had more to do with property rights than anything else. Religion had nothing to do with it.
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetron View Post
    The issue with gay marriage is the word marriage. Marriage originated as a religious institution, it was meant to be the joining of a reproductive group into a religiously blessed union (this hopefully will cover poly, and monogamous for everyone). The point being that said religion was giving you the thumbs up to make babies and not feel bad about it. The point of this is that marriage is a concept that stems from a religious institution that was recognized by the state. As such the state lacks the power to create gay marriage because marriage is not created by the state, only recognized. If this is an issue of rights then options exist such as civil unions. While there would be some who would oppose them it would be trivial effort if the homosexual rights groups refocused to equalize the rights available under said unions.

    Gay marriage is a violation of the separation of church and state because it is the state attempting to define a religious institution and force them to comply. Civil unions are on the other hand totally within the rights of the state to create and manage as they see fit. The question then becomes if equality is the goal why is the word marriage so important to homosexual couples. They could easily obtain equality with a civil union.
    This is complete horse**** on just about every conceivable level.
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Most of the people who founded this country were Christians, in particular English Protestants. The state criminal laws they made were based directly on English common law, which was substantially influenced by Christian teachings about right and wrong. No doubt those historical facts irk people who are hostile to Christianity.

    But the notion that criminal laws violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment because they ultimately have a religious basis is silly. As I said, the fact laws against adultery codify the Seventh Commandment does not make them unconstitutional. In practice, religious beliefs are never "the only demonstrable basis" for laws like those. The Supreme Court discussed this issue in this case involving Sunday closing laws:


    [T]he "Establishment" Clause does not ban federal or state regulation of conduct whose reason or effect merely happens to coincide or harmonize with the tenets of some or all religions. In many instances, the Congress or state legislatures conclude that the general welfare of society, wholly apart from any religious considerations, demands such regulation. Thus, for temporal purposes, murder is illegal. And the fact that this agrees with the dictates of the Judaeo-Christian religions while it may disagree with others does not invalidate the regulation. So too with the questions of adultery and polygamy. The same could be said of theft, fraud, etc., because those offenses were also proscribed in the Decalogue.

    McGowan v. Maryland, 366 U.S. 420, 442 (1961).
    Uhh. Yeah? You're not reading my posts correctly. Merely matching some religious morality doesn't make something unconstitutional. Nobody said it did.
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Incidentally, the bill is dead for now.

    Texas Anti-Gay Marriage Bill Dead for Now as Deadline Passes - ABC News

    Democrats ran out the clock. Not exactly the method I would prefer.
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The Sodomy law has been found to be unconstitutional. It is being used against and targeting gays. The point is are you OK with this abuse of process?
    I don't think it should have been used to "target" homosexuals, but that shouldn't make the law unconstitutional. The targeting should be addressed. Nothing unconstitutional about a state banning sodomy. As has been pointed out, homosexuals aren't the only ones who commit sodomy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I don't think it should have been used to "target" homosexuals, but that shouldn't make the law unconstitutional. The targeting should be addressed. Nothing unconstitutional about a state banning sodomy. As has been pointed out, homosexuals aren't the only ones who commit sodomy.
    SCOTUS thru out the law and one of these days, the public will be on the hook for a lawsuit due to some Officer not adhering to the law.
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    SCOTUS thru out the law and one of these days, the public will be on the hook for a lawsuit due to some Officer not adhering to the law.
    They did so in direct violation of their oath then. Sodomy is not protected in the US constitution, nor by it's intent.

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