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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Your response is predictable. When an argument irks you, but you don't have enough game to make a coherent answer to it, try to hide the fact by making a lame attempt at an insult.

    I am not sure what peeves you so. Is it that you think state laws against bestiality, bigamy and homosexual incest--or maybe other acts involving sex--are fundamentally unfair? Maybe you think the fact most people consider those acts immoral and unacceptable is not a good enough reason to make them illegal.

    Your last question is gibberish. I don't have my own constitution, nor does anyone else. Article III of the Constitution of the United States creates a Supreme Court.
    No your comparision of morality laws. When we know many are outdated.
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Your response is predictable. When an argument irks you, but you don't have enough game to make a coherent answer to it, try to hide the fact by making a lame attempt at an insult.

    I am not sure what peeves you so. Is it that you think state laws against bestiality, bigamy and homosexual incest--or maybe other acts involving sex--are fundamentally unfair? Maybe you think the fact most people consider those acts immoral and unacceptable is not a good enough reason to make them illegal.

    Your last question is gibberish. I don't have my own constitution, nor does anyone else. Article III of the Constitution of the United States creates a Supreme Court.
    My apologies, the intent was sarcasm not to insult.
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It does if that's the only demonstrable basis for the law.
    Most of the people who founded this country were Christians, in particular English Protestants. The state criminal laws they made were based directly on English common law, which was substantially influenced by Christian teachings about right and wrong. No doubt those historical facts irk people who are hostile to Christianity.

    But the notion that criminal laws violate the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment because they ultimately have a religious basis is silly. As I said, the fact laws against adultery codify the Seventh Commandment does not make them unconstitutional. In practice, religious beliefs are never "the only demonstrable basis" for laws like those. The Supreme Court discussed this issue in this case involving Sunday closing laws:


    [T]he "Establishment" Clause does not ban federal or state regulation of conduct whose reason or effect merely happens to coincide or harmonize with the tenets of some or all religions. In many instances, the Congress or state legislatures conclude that the general welfare of society, wholly apart from any religious considerations, demands such regulation. Thus, for temporal purposes, murder is illegal. And the fact that this agrees with the dictates of the Judaeo-Christian religions while it may disagree with others does not invalidate the regulation. So too with the questions of adultery and polygamy. The same could be said of theft, fraud, etc., because those offenses were also proscribed in the Decalogue.

    McGowan v. Maryland, 366 U.S. 420, 442 (1961).

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    No your comparision of morality laws. When we know many are outdated.
    Whether you think a law is outdated has nothing whatever to do with whether it violates anything in the Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The Constitution is vague in many places and its main purpose is to protect the people from the government, including state governments.
    No, it's to restrict the scope of power, mainly for the federal government. This is why we also have state constitutions.

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I did not know that. Please name this man, tell us when Texas executed him, and explain briefly the proof that he was not guilty.
    Educate yourself.
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    Can't read the article, but from the title you're grasping at straws on this one.

    Texas May Have Executed an Innocent Man

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Tetron View Post
    The issue with gay marriage is the word marriage. Marriage originated as a religious institution, it was meant to be the joining of a reproductive group into a religiously blessed union (this hopefully will cover poly, and monogamous for everyone). The point being that said religion was giving you the thumbs up to make babies and not feel bad about it. The point of this is that marriage is a concept that stems from a religious institution that was recognized by the state. As such the state lacks the power to create gay marriage because marriage is not created by the state, only recognized. If this is an issue of rights then options exist such as civil unions. While there would be some who would oppose them it would be trivial effort if the homosexual rights groups refocused to equalize the rights available under said unions.

    Gay marriage is a violation of the separation of church and state because it is the state attempting to define a religious institution and force them to comply. Civil unions are on the other hand totally within the rights of the state to create and manage as they see fit. The question then becomes if equality is the goal why is the word marriage so important to homosexual couples. They could easily obtain equality with a civil union.
    The State redefined it with the Marriage License, which is a government issued and recognized contract. Got a problem with SSM? Get rid of the marriage license.
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Whether you think a law is outdated has nothing whatever to do with whether it violates anything in the Constitution.
    The Sodomy law has been found to be unconstitutional. It is being used against and targeting gays. The point is are you OK with this abuse of process?
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    "MONTGOMERY, Ala. -- The marchers came to the old man in the wheelchair, some to tell him he was forgiven, some to whisper that he could never be forgiven, not now, not a million years from now. Yet to all of the people who retraced the steps of the Selma-to-Montgomery civil rights march 30 years ago, George C. Wallace offered an apology for a doomed ideal. The former Alabama governor, whose name became shorthand for much of the worst of white Southern opposition to the civil rights movement, held hands with men and women he had once held down with the power of his office. To one aging civil rights war horse, he mumbled, "I love you."

    Three decades ago, he was preaching the evil of integration and found approval, even adoration, in the eyes of many white Alabamians. There was the legendary stand in the schoolhouse door to keep blacks from registering at the University of Alabama. It was his state troopers who used billy clubs and tear gas to control and intimidate marchers on the way to Selma......"My friends," the aide read, "I have been watching your progress this week as you retrace your footsteps of 30 years ago and cannot help but reflect on those days that remain so vivid in my memory. Those were different days and we all in our own ways were different people. We have learned hard and important lessons in the 30 years that have passed between us since the days surrounding your first walk along Highway 80....Those days were filled with passionate convictions and a magnified sense of purpose that imposed a feeling on us all that events of the day were bigger than any one individual," the speech continued in its borrowed voice. "Much has transpired since those days. A great deal has been lost and a great deal has been gained, and here we are. My message to you today is, 'Welcome to Montgomery.' May your message be heard. May your lessons never be forgotten. May our history be always remembered."
    George Wallace Apologizes | 30 years later, Wallace apologizes to marchers - tribunedigital-baltimoresun

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