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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Exactly what is the point of state laws against going nude, or masturbating, or fornicating in public places, or against prostitution, or against bigamy or adult incest, when engaged in by consenting adults? Oh, the sleepless nights I have spent, agonizing over the way such cruel laws deprive the people involved of their liberty interests without due process! And that's to say nothing of the poor polygamists, who have been viciously oppressed in this country for a couple centuries now by heartless laws.
    Nudity? Nothing except public health risks. Same with masturbating & fornication...fluids.

    and I almost included prostitution in my post...there's no reason that should be illegal. Victimless crime, the govt being 'moral police.' The public doesnt seem to care enough to pressure govts into making it legal, but that may happen someday...society changes.

    and you didnt really answer to the hypocrisy of your earlier thread where you did indeed emphasize the unenforceability of law. I dont care if bigamy or adult incest are illegal either...they do no harm to society...if the individual involved consent...who cares? Just judgemental people who have no business in their affairs.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Those were a few news reports- Guess good old Louisiana cannot get the word out.

    And as noted the Sheriff does not give a **** about the SCOTUS ruling.
    Are you OK with that as well?


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    I really don't give a **** about what the sheriff involved gives a **** about. That is Lousiana's problem.

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

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    Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses - The Washington Post


    Going to get interesting if and I say SCOTUS will rule in favor of SSM, and States can literally kiss ass.
    I thought Republicans, like Texas were right big on law abiding, punishing & on occasion possibly executing innocent people.
    Good 'ol Tex--America's government overreach state.

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Nudity? Nothing except public health risks. Same with masturbating & fornication...fluids.

    and I almost included prostitution in my post...there's no reason that should be illegal. Victimless crime, the govt being 'moral police.' The public doesnt seem to care enough to pressure govts into making it legal, but that may happen someday...society changes.

    and you didnt really answer to the hypocrisy of your earlier thread where you did indeed emphasize the unenforceability of law. I dont care if bigamy or adult incest are illegal either...they do no harm to society...if the individual involved consent...who cares? Just judgemental people who have no business in their affairs.
    I don't recall starting a thread here. But in any case, there is no hypocrisy in any of my posts, so there is no need for me to answer anyone's assertions about it--even if they were expressed coherently enough to understand. When you claim I "emphasized the unenforceability of law," I don't know what you are talking about. I think I remarked that a law which has been held unconstitutional is invalid and unenforceable because someone (who knows why) had questioned that. But if so, I was only restating what should have been obvious.

    I support morals laws. I believe, just as most people in every state in this country have believed from the beginning, that promoting majoritarian morality is a legitimate government interest. If most people in a state believe public nudity, prostitution, bigamy, bestiality, mothers marrying their daughters, and so on are immoral and unacceptable, they should be able to make laws prohibiting those things. The view Justice Stevens expressed to the contrary in his dissenting opinion in Bowers v. Hardwick, which Justice Kennedy signed onto in Lawrence, was dead wrong and destructive to our society. I hope one day Justice Ginsburg (whose views I usually disagree with but whose integrity and reasoning I respect) will retire, an originalist justice will be appointed to replace her, and the Court will reverse its position on that.

    Justice Stevens was a maverick who did some damage with his wacky notions when he was on the Court, but most of it can still be undone. He was famously the author of a majority opinion which held that carbon dioxide--you know, that stuff we all exhale with every breath, and that puts the sparkle in our Diet Pepsi--is a "pollutant" within the meaning of the Clean Air Act. As someone who once studied the Clear Air Act and its history pretty thoroughly, I know that is utter nonsense. But it is vintage Stevens.

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Exactly what is the point of legislation that attempts to reduce personal liberties (that infringe on the rights of no one else), ESPECIALLY if it is unenforceable?

    Esp. when such enforcement would indeed breech Constitutional rights like privacy and due process?
    What are you talking about? How are sodomy laws unenforceable? You think sodomy only happens between consenting adults and only behind closed doors? Again, what do privacy (NOT a constitutional right) and due process have to do with this? You need to relearn what due process is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post

    I support morals laws.
    Enough said. That's pretty much the equivalent of desiring to see religiously based law.

    I prefer to see the govt stay out of such things where it clearly has no business when there is no demonstrated harm or infringements on others...govt over-reach and intrusion into personal lives is not remotely a goal I'd like to see furthered.

    This isnt really about the law anymore...it's about your personal morals. That's fine. We all have our opinions and beliefs. However I try very hard not to impose mine on others if there's no actual harm or if the imposition is clearly unConstitutional (to me), such as the suppression of personal liberty for no reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Nudity? Nothing except public health risks. Same with masturbating & fornication...fluids.

    and I almost included prostitution in my post...there's no reason that should be illegal. Victimless crime, the govt being 'moral police.' The public doesnt seem to care enough to pressure govts into making it legal, but that may happen someday...society changes.

    and you didnt really answer to the hypocrisy of your earlier thread where you did indeed emphasize the unenforceability of law. I dont care if bigamy or adult incest are illegal either...they do no harm to society...if the individual involved consent...who cares? Just judgemental people who have no business in their affairs.
    Ah, I see, you've realized your other arguments are bogus and have moved on to the venerable, "who cares?" argument. Well the answer is simply, enough people in that state care enough that the law exists in the first place. They care enough that the law in that state is not overturned.

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I really don't give a **** about what the sheriff involved gives a **** about. That is Lousiana's problem.
    So Police misusing and abusing the Law is OK with you as long as it is someone else.
    If my post offends you, I deeply Apple-O-Jize.

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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What are you talking about? How are sodomy laws unenforceable? You think sodomy only happens between consenting adults and only behind closed doors? Again, what do privacy (NOT a constitutional right) and due process have to do with this? You need to relearn what due process is.
    How does one discover sodomy without due process and the invasion of privacy? Unless, of course, it is happening on the street? I guess I've missed that.

    And yes, a right to privacy is explicitly called out (& been interpreted) in more than one amendment. R v W calls on it specifically.
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    Re: Tex. bill would bar local officials from issuing same-sex-marriage licenses

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    How does one discover sodomy without due process and the invasion of privacy? Unless, of course, it is happening on the street? I guess I've missed that.

    And yes, a right to privacy is explicitly called out (& been interpreted) in more than one amendment. R v W calls on it specifically.
    Yeah, and even the justices realize Roe v Wade was constitutionally groundless. As has been explained to you in this very thread.

    To answer your first question, the same way we catch folks breaking other laws when they are trying to hide their illegal activities behind closed doors. By your argument it should be perfectly legal to beat your children as long as no one sees you doing it and you don't leave too many bruises.
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