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    Re: Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Do you want the president to have fast track authority on such a vast trade deal, or do you want congressional oversight?
    anything of trade is a power of congress, article 1 section 8

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    Re: Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    anything of trade is a power of congress, article 1 section 8
    Apparently they can abdicate that power to the president and plenty of GOPer's want it.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Apparently they can abdicate that power to the president and plenty of GOPer's want it.
    this has been done over several decades, however there is no power in the constitution to shift power from 1 branch to another...to do that is unconstitutional

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    Re: Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    this has been done over several decades, however there is no power in the constitution to shift power from 1 branch to another...to do that is unconstitutional
    Well, we won't disagree on that. Presidents have committed to unconstitutional behavior for some time now, and congress has been abdicating.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well, we won't disagree on that. Presidents have committed to unconstitutional behavior for some time now, and congress has been abdicating.
    i not saying it has not happened..i am saying there is no power per the constitution to do so

    part of of american federalism is a separation of powers among branches of government...if powers are mixed then there is no separation

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    Re: Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i not saying it has not happened..i am saying there is no power per the constitution to do so

    pary of federalism is a separation of powers, among branches of government...if powers are mixed then there is no separation
    Yeah, I thought I agreed with that. Let me just tell you, if not for patronizing American voters, loathe to hold their own parties accountable, we'd not be talking about this.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yeah, I thought I agreed with that. Let me just tell you, if not for patronizing American voters, loathe to hold their own parties accountable, we'd not be talking about this.
    the problem is congress is lazy, and does not do their job in areas of the constitution they are granted power, yet get involved in things they have no power granted to them.

    the constitution states congress shall make all laws....meaning to be written by politicians the people elect....however congress does sponsor many bills which are not created by congress, but instead outside groups which become law....while the EPA is making regulations for america which congress never votes on.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the problem is congress is lazy, and does not do their job in areas of the constitution they are granted power, yet get involved in things they have no power granted to them.

    the constitution states congress shall make all laws....meaning to be written by politicians the people elect....however congress does sponsor many bills which are not created by congress, but instead outside groups which become law....while the EPA is making regulations for america which congress never votes on.
    Well yes. But who's allowing congress to stand lazy, who returns the same lazy bafoons to congress over and over, some of them 4,5,6 terms or more. Just look at the percentage of republican and democratic patrons on this board that excuse their parties crimes over and over again, while tripping on the slightest transgression from the other party. Congress will do what they are allowed to do.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Well yes. But who's allowing congress to stand lazy, who returns the same lazy bafoons to congress over and over, some of them 4,5,6 terms or more. Just look at the percentage of republican and democratic patrons on this board that excuse their parties crimes over and over again, while tripping on the slightest transgression from the other party. Congress will do what they are allowed to do.

    the people have become uneducated on government.

    people don't care what government does as long as they get their slice of the pie, and check and balances which were in the constitutionare no longer there, and as long as their is no entity to check the power of the federal government they will continue to do things they are not granted the power to do.

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    Re: Senate Democrats Block Progress on Obama’s Trade Authority

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the people have become uneducated on government.

    people don't care what government does as long as they get their slice of the pie, and check and balances which were in the constitutionare no longer there, and as long as their is no entity to check the power of the federal government they will continue to do things they are not granted the power to do.
    Agreed, and democrat or republican, it does not matter.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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