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    Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

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    Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Thousands of people have been brought to the Baltimore city jail in recent years with injuries too severe for them to be admitted, newly released records have shown. The records, obtained by the Baltimore Sun through a Maryland Public Information Act request, showed that correctional officers at the Baltimore City Detention Center refused to admit nearly 2,600 detainees who were in police custody between June 2012 and April 2015.

    The records did not indicate how the people were injured or whether they suffered their injuries while in custody. However, they suggested police officers either ignored or did not notice the injuries.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I am not surprised

    my emphasis
    I think the story is a bit misleading, People who are harmed in Police custody,
    know they can use it to get out of whatever they were arrested for, and so those tend to
    be well documented.
    Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Arrest-Related Deaths, 2003-2009 - Statistical Tables

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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    I think the story is a bit misleading, People who are harmed in Police custody,
    know they can use it to get out of whatever they were arrested for, and so those tend to
    be well documented.
    Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) - Arrest-Related Deaths, 2003-2009 - Statistical Tables
    All the more reason for police to stop harming people in their custody. Not that we should need reasons for police not to beat suspects, but apparently we're not nearly as advanced as we like to think.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    All the more reason for police to stop harming people in their custody. Not that we should need reasons for police not to beat suspects, but apparently we're not nearly as advanced as we like to think.
    My point was that the story was misleading, by implying that many of those too injured to go to jail
    were harmed by police, but the people hurt in custody tend to be well documented.

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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    My point was that the story was misleading, by implying that many of those too injured to go to jail
    were harmed by police, but the people hurt in custody tend to be well documented.
    What exactly leads you to believe this? It's not true. People straight up killed by police aren't even well documented. What makes you think that police would document when they break the law?
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    What exactly leads you to believe this? It's not true. People straight up killed by police aren't even well documented. What makes you think that police would document when they break the law?
    What exactly leads you to you believe the criminals/those under arrest? People faced with adjudication and/or fines are not exactly known as the penultimate tellers of truth.

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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What exactly leads you to you believe the criminals/those under arrest? People faced with adjudication and/or fines are not exactly known as the penultimate tellers of truth.
    Maybe the numerous videos available online showing that all too many times the cops are lying. That does not mean that some of the felons aren't responsible but it does mean that some cops lie.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What exactly leads you to you believe the criminals/those under arrest? People faced with adjudication and/or fines are not exactly known as the penultimate tellers of truth.
    Why must the criminal be telling a lie? I'd understand if the prisoner was a pathological lier. I can even accept that some inmates will lie just to gain special treatment or be removed from a potentially harmful or uncomfortable situation, etc., etc., but they could be telling the truth as to how he/she sustained physical harm at the hands of police authority and not from another inmate or injury purposely done to themselves.

    Granted, it's harder to believe such individuals based both on the mere fact that they are incarcerated AND many of them have committed some very serious felony crimes. But if we are to dismiss every claim of police brutality out of hand, doesn't that mean the police have a clear mandate to do whatever they want whenever they want to prisoners?

    I'll put it to you another way: I recently completed PREA (Prisoner Rape Elimination Act) training and was surprised to learn how often rape and/or sexual abuse committed by prison guards/corrections officers goes unreported (not only in the state of Alabama but nationwide). Moreover, many people would be surprised to learn that such acts (raped, in particular) when committed by corrections officers IS still a crime! But without that camera footage, such crimes committed at the hands of those who are suppose to be adhering to the law often times get away with breaking the law...all because the inmates being inmates are perceived to be untrustworthy.

    We need to be careful of being cavalier about claims of abuse committed at the hands of those in authority against inmate. I know it's real easy to do because...well, they're in jail/prison for a reason. But such abuses do happen and they can have a very negative affect on social order.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Why must the criminal be telling a lie? I'd understand if the prisoner was a pathological lier. I can even accept that some inmates will lie just to gain special treatment or be removed from a potentially harmful or uncomfortable situation, etc., etc., but they could be telling the truth as to how he/she sustained physical harm at the hands of police authority and not from another inmate or injury purposely done to themselves.

    Granted, it's harder to believe such individuals based both on the mere fact that they are incarcerated AND many of them have committed some very serious felony crimes. But if we are to dismiss every claim of police brutality out of hand, doesn't that mean the police have a clear mandate to do whatever they want whenever they want to prisoners?

    I'll put it to you another way: I recently completed PREA (Prisoner Rape Elimination Act) training and was surprised to learn how often rape and/or sexual abuse committed by prison guards/corrections officers goes unreported (not only in the state of Alabama but nationwide). Moreover, many people would be surprised to learn that such acts (raped, in particular) when committed by corrections officers IS still a crime! But without that camera footage, such crimes committed at the hands of those who are suppose to be adhering to the law often times get away with breaking the law...all because the inmates being inmates are perceived to be untrustworthy.

    We need to be careful of being cavalier about claims of abuse committed at the hands of those in authority against inmate. I know it's real easy to do because...well, they're in jail/prison for a reason. But such abuses do happen and they can have a very negative affect on social order.
    The old joke is everyone in jail is innocent. Given a comparison of person A - who holds a job, who has children, who has never been incarcerated justly or unjustly and person B, a convict who is currently serving their second stint in jail and doing 18 months in minimum security prison..... are you really stating that person A and person B are on equal ground when asked to tell the "truth"?
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    My point was that the story was misleading, by implying that many of those too injured to go to jail
    were harmed by police, but the people hurt in custody tend to be well documented.
    Please show the readers where the article "implied" that the injured had been assaulted by police officers.

    What it did say was the following
    The records did not indicate how the people were injured or whether they suffered their injuries while in custody. However, they suggested police officers either ignored or did not notice the injuries.
    “And I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in shewing that religion & Govt will both exist in greater purity, the less they are mixed together.”
    ~ James Madison, letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822

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