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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I am not surprised

    my emphasis
    They should have listened to the cops, then they wouldn't be too injured to serve their time.

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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Don't be naive. This isn't necessarily a comparision of virtues.
    First I wasn't being naive and second since when is telling the truth a "virtue"?
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    This is an issue of truth (seeking). Even the guilty can be telling you the truth about some things.
    It's not about telling the truth it's about credibility - we don't know if they're telling the truth or not however if someone is credible, they are more likely to tell the truth than not. You're saying you'd believe a guy spending the next 2 years in prison just as much as say your wife or parent? Who's being naive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    It's up to those in authority to conduct proper investigations and get to the truth. But dismiss claims of wrong-doing even is such a claim comes from an inmate is to give unfettered authority to authoritarians.
    You're sentence is a bit incoherent - however this goes back to my comment about credibility.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    While I do believe that those who commit crimes should go to jail/prison for their crimes and while serving their time should submit to authority, I also understand that sometimes unlawful or unethical things happen to inmates while incarcerated. And when that happens even inmates have rights to be heard, their grievances addressed and if it is determined that a criminal act has been committed even against them, justice under the law.

    Yeah, it's crappy but due process is still extended to people in jail.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    All the more reason for police to stop harming people in their custody. Not that we should need reasons for police not to beat suspects, but apparently we're not nearly as advanced as we like to think.
    Are you aware that sometimes police can't gain control of a suspect? I'm a little miffed at the OP because if it doesn't specify how...then it assumes that injured suspects is 100% of the time never OK or reasonable.

    In reality if a suspect were injured in the course of a scuffle...I would consider that to be normal.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's not about telling the truth it's about credibility - we don't know if they're telling the truth or not however if someone is credible, they are more likely to tell the truth than not. You're saying you'd believe a guy spending the next 2 years in prison just as much as say your wife or parent? Who's being naive?
    It's often the police who lie when they are the one's who are under investigation.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    It's often the police who lie when they are the one's who are under investigation.
    It's near always that people lie to the police when they are under investigation. Why is that? Answer that and it will be obvious to you that most police hold themselves to a higher standard than the general public, not all, most.

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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    except you can't take videos shot in different cities, states, and varying circumstances and use them to prove the specific officer who arrested you is lying.
    No, you can't.

    And nobody is saying that any particular cop is lying.

    We're saying that police in general have gotten to the point where they've lost all credibility.

    After seeing these videos (of cops abusing their authority, of cops lying, of cops staging evidence) again, and again, and again, multiple times a day, from every sate in the union, whether the "offender" is a white woman, a black teenager, or anything in between, for a number of years now, you begin to lose faith in the police.

    I'm a 45-year-old, upper middle class, college educated, home owing, Republican/Libertarian voting, Veteran, and at this point I'm as likely to believe a career felon as I am a police officer.

    If, as a cop, you've lost the demographic that I belong to you're doing something very, very wrong.

    Is this an indictment of any particular cop?

    No.

    But I can no longer trust any particular cop because law enforcement in general is rotten to the core.

    I don't know who the honest cops are and who the crooked cops are.

    And clearly there are so many crooked cops that trusting any of them if foolish.

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    But if it comes up during jury selection and I'm being honest I'd have to say that I don't trust police to tell the truth.

    If I'm sat on a jury anyhow and the verdict hinges on a cop's credibility I'd have to discount that cop's testimony and let a potential criminal walk.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's near always that people lie to the police when they are under investigation. Why is that? Answer that and it will be obvious to you that most police hold themselves to a higher standard than the general public, not all, most.
    Nothing you've written above has anything to do with the fact that police tend to lie when they are under investigation. Thus, calling into question the credibility of police when they are the focus of scrutiny.

    My point being... when do we, as the public, start assuming the police are not being honest when they're recounting an incident of their own abuse of power?
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I don't know who the honest cops are and who the crooked cops are.
    Agree 100% When are the honest cops going to start standing up for the rights of the citizens they are sworn to protect, instead of protecting their own at the cost of citizen rights?
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Tettsuo View Post
    It's often the police who lie when they are the one's who are under investigation.
    It really depends on what's at stake - everyone lies every day to some degree. However the less important an issue the more likely a non-credible person will lie ---- I think there's a bell curve at some point where credibility ceases to be a variable and most people will lie, regardless of their past or present situation.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Political views appear to cause some to divert from what I saw as the original intent of the article found in the OP.

    Whether the injuries were caused by LEOs or not, the journalist was pointing out that the cops were bringing in to the detention facilities, persons injured to the extent that the receiving officers refused to accept the arrested person. The arresting officers should have taken the injured to an emergency care location BEFORE they showed up at the jailhouse. Has nothing to do with how the injuries occurred but with the nature of the injuries.

    WHY were the LEOs failing to transport the injured to a trauma center?
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