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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    What exactly leads you to you believe the criminals/those under arrest? People faced with adjudication and/or fines are not exactly known as the penultimate tellers of truth.
    Apparently neither are the cops.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    I really have to ask myself, "Why should I really care?" This whole discussion has about "maybe" or "could have". I don't see any facts about the actual injuries. I do see conjecture, pontification, assumptions made on personal biases. I do know that people will lie to get out of a bind. I do know that not all law enforcement is honest but I am not going to take the word of a rioter over a law enforcement officer without some kind of proof, which has not been offered. Most of this discussion is pretty much non relevant to anything.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Maybe the numerous videos available online showing that all too many times the cops are lying. That does not mean that some of the felons aren't responsible but it does mean that some cops lie.
    except you can't take videos shot in different cities, states, and varying circumstances and use them to prove the specific officer who arrested you is lying.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The old joke is everyone in jail is innocent. Given a comparison of person A - who holds a job, who has children, who has never been incarcerated justly or unjustly and person B, a convict who is currently serving their second stint in jail and doing 18 months in minimum security prison..... are you really stating that person A and person B are on equal ground when asked to tell the "truth"?
    I would say its probably actually opposite of what you expect. Most the ex-cons i know where no-bull****, tell the truth to your face and not worry about the repurcussions socially. And more guys that are blue collar are quick to tell little white lies for comfort and be snively in their revenge.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Please show the readers where the article "implied" that the injured had been assaulted by police officers.

    What it did say was the following
    Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show | US news | The Guardian
    The timing of the article just after riots because someone was hurt in police custody.

    Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show
    The records did not indicate how the people were injured or whether they suffered their injuries while in custody.
    wink, wink, nod! nod!
    They are implying some of these injuries were in police custody.

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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show | US news | The Guardian
    The timing of the article just after riots because someone was hurt in police custody.



    wink, wink, nod! nod!
    They are implying some of these injuries were in police custody.
    OK, whatever the 'conservative' mind perceives must be the truth.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The old joke is everyone in jail is innocent. Given a comparison of person A - who holds a job, who has children, who has never been incarcerated justly or unjustly and person B, a convict who is currently serving their second stint in jail and doing 18 months in minimum security prison..... are you really stating that person A and person B are on equal ground when asked to tell the "truth"?
    I believe a cop is just as likely to lie to cover his ass as a criminal is.

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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    OK, whatever the 'conservative' mind perceives must be the truth.
    How about facts? Can you provide definitive information on how those people were injured? How many were hurt because of actions by the police? How many were hurt before the police arrived? How many were hurt due to other reasons? Until those questions are answered there's really no way to have an intelligent discussion about this.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    How about facts? Can you provide definitive information on how those people were injured? How many were hurt because of actions by the police? How many were hurt before the police arrived? How many were hurt due to other reasons? Until those questions are answered there's really no way to have an intelligent discussion about this.
    No, I cannot "provide definitive information". I was not trying to do any such thing, I was simply denying that the article "implied" the police had caused the injuries. To me at least, the journalist was simply reporting that Baltimore police have a problem with attempting to jail persons so injured they should be in an ER and not a jail cell.

    The object of the article was to point out that lots (thousands) of arrested persons were seriously injured prior to being brought into the detention center. That alone should cause at least some people to think that investigations should take place, the result might simply be better training of LEOs in regards to standard first aid practices plus better record keeping.

    I was not the one who posted
    wink, wink, nod! nod!
    They are implying some of these injuries were in police custody.
    Last edited by Somerville; 05-15-15 at 10:14 AM.
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    Re: Baltimore: thousands of suspects arrive too injured to go to jail, records show

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The old joke is everyone in jail is innocent. Given a comparison of person A - who holds a job, who has children, who has never been incarcerated justly or unjustly and person B, a convict who is currently serving their second stint in jail and doing 18 months in minimum security prison..... are you really stating that person A and person B are on equal ground when asked to tell the "truth"?
    Don't be naive. This isn't necessarily a comparision of virtues. This is an issue of truth (seeking). Even the guilty can be telling you the truth about some things. It's up to those in authority to conduct proper investigations and get to the truth. But dismiss claims of wrong-doing even is such a claim comes from an inmate is to give unfettered authority to authoritarians.

    While I do believe that those who commit crimes should go to jail/prison for their crimes and while serving their time should submit to authority, I also understand that sometimes unlawful or unethical things happen to inmates while incarcerated. And when that happens even inmates have rights to be heard, their grievances addressed and if it is determined that a criminal act has been committed even against them, justice under the law.

    Yeah, it's crappy but due process is still extended to people in jail.
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