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    White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Seymour Hersh accuses Obama of lying on Osama bin Laden raid - CNNPolitics.com

    Citing an anonymous "major U.S. source," Hersh writes that the Obama administration cooperated with Pakistani intelligence officials to kill bin Laden, and that the chief of staff of the Pakistani army and director general of the Inter-Services Intelligence Agency knew about the mission, contrary to Obama's claim that Pakistani officials weren't aware of the raid in advance.

    A U.S. official with detailed knowledge of the outreach to the Pakistanis after the raid tells CNN that based on the reaction it was clear the Pakistanis did not know in advance
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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Hearsh does have cred.
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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Well, I don't think the WH is really the authority here. If the Hersh story is true then the WH would be the last people on the planet you would expect to corroborate it... and that is even assuming that this WH is generally trustworthy otherwise, which it isn't.

    I am not saying that the Hersh story is true, but you would expect the WH to say this regardless of whether it is true or not.

    For what it's worth, this would be the second legendary journalist to write an expose on the Obama administration that paints it as an insular, untrustworthy and unscrupulous group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well, I don't think the WH is really the authority here. If the Hersh story is true then the WH would be the last people on the planet you would expect to corroborate it... and that is even assuming that this WH is generally trustworthy otherwise, which it isn't.

    I am not saying that the Hersh story is true, but you would expect the WH to say this regardless of whether it is true or not.
    Yes, I would expect and indeed have seen the same in multiple administrations during my lifetime. It's not just democratic WH's that can be dishonest.
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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes, I would expect and indeed have seen the same in multiple administrations during my lifetime. It's not just democratic WH's that can be dishonest.
    I never said they were, I am simply pointing out that this administration appears from this account to be a rather definite mess that screwed over the SEALs, his SecDef, and the Pakistanis who helped him in order to cover his ass on a small detail that would have been lost in the euphoria of killing bin Laden anyway.

    It is interesting to consider, should this story pan out, how many narratives on the left and the right that are blown up with the revelation. For instance, off the top of my head:

    1) Without the courier story the waterboarding justification vanishes.
    2) If the Pakistanis were holding bin Laden prisoner and released him to the SEAL squad for execution then there was no tough call by Obama. The operation was just shooting fish in a barrel.
    3) If This was the result of a negotiation with Pakistan then the SEALs lives were risked for what amounts to a CYA by Obama who then outed them immediately in order to build a lie.
    4) "No Easy Day" would be a lie that reflects poorly on Mark Owen.
    5) SecDef's account of what happened after the raid would now makes a lot more sense.
    6) The doctor who was supposedly outed after confirming OBL would appear to be a lie.
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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Another thing just hit me about the Hersh narrative. The story about the SEALs being forced to sign NDAs after the raid always struck me as odd for two reasons: 1) SEALs are a fairly closed lip, by the book group, so a legal NDA seemed unnecessary where a direct order would have been sufficient and 2) It seemed odd that even with the NDA signed there was seemingly no end of SEAL team accounts of the raid that appeared to violate the NDA, but weren't incurring any legal action by the DOJ.

    This would now make perfect sense if the NDA was signed to protect the true story of the bin Laden raid while the account that the SEAL team members were distributing to the public was the lie formulated by the administration.

    It also explains with the SEAL team stories didn't always mesh.
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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I never said they were, I am simply pointing out that this administration appears from this account to be a rather definite mess that screwed over the SEALs, his SecDef, and the Pakistanis who helped him in order to cover his ass on a small detail that would have been lost in the euphoria of killing bin Laden anyway.

    It is interesting to consider, should this story pan out, how many narratives on the left and the right that are blown up with the revelation. For instance, off the top of my head:

    1) Without the courier story the waterboarding justification vanishes.
    2) If the Pakistanis were holding bin Laden prisoner and released him to the SEAL squad for execution then there was no tough call by Obama. The operation was just shooting fish in a barrel.
    3) If This was the result of a negotiation with Pakistan then the SEALs lives were risked for what amounts to a CYA by Obama who then outed them immediately in order to build a lie.
    4) "No Easy Day" would be a lie that reflects poorly on Mark Owen.
    5) SecDef's account of what happened after the raid would now makes a lot more sense.
    6) The doctor who was supposedly outed after confirming OBL would appear to be a lie.
    Perhaps Obama was going to wait a week and then release the news claiming that a predator drone had done the work, but then the helo crashed and required a modified version. If it really was a capture or kill mission, then why is it that the Seal entered the room to find only OBL's wife, OBL standing there with his hand on his wife's shoulder and his young son standing there frozen with shock and proceeded to shoot him dead???? Why wasn't he simply taken captive. There's plenty more about the OBL story that stinks too, and Hersh has just upped the pot.
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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Perhaps Obama was going to wait a week and then release the news claiming that a predator drone had done the work, but then the helo crashed and required a modified version. If it really was a capture or kill mission, then why is it that the Seal entered the room to find only OBL's wife, OBL standing there with his hand on his wife's shoulder and his young son standing there frozen with shock and proceeded to shoot him dead???? Why wasn't he simply taken captive. There's plenty more about the OBL story that stinks too, and Hersh has just upped the pot.
    That is the thing that boggles my mind. Why remedy an attempted lie with another more complicated lie? Nobody knew anything about the mission beforehand so just say a covert team took out bin Laden and the rest is a matter of national security. True, not misleading, and clean. But no, if this story is true they lied and just never stopped.

    Also, if true this wasn't a capture or kill, this was sending a team to kill OBL in captivity.
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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

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    Hearsh does have cred.
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    Re: White House rejects Seymour Hersh 'baseless assertions' on bin Laden raid

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Perhaps Obama was going to wait a week and then release the news claiming that a predator drone had done the work, but then the helo crashed and required a modified version. If it really was a capture or kill mission, then why is it that the Seal entered the room to find only OBL's wife, OBL standing there with his hand on his wife's shoulder and his young son standing there frozen with shock and proceeded to shoot him dead???? Why wasn't he simply taken captive. There's plenty more about the OBL story that stinks too, and Hersh has just upped the pot.
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